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Offline franko9752

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My NY Pies
« on: March 09, 2012, 10:58:25 AM »
I have a BakersPride P22BL electric counter top deck oven i got about 3 yrs ago for my pizza hobby. The 1st week of Jan i brought the oven down to my local Legion club to make pizza 3 nights a week. My dough formula as of now is 58% water, .2% IDY, 1.5% salt, 1.25% oil and 1.2% sugar which i have not used suger before this week. I use AllTrumps high glut. I mix in my KA 7qt. 1.5 horse power mixer and the dough temp out of the mixer is usually around 79-84 deg. then scale and ball and straight to the cooler, about 36deg. I recently got an IR gun to accuratly read my deck temp and usually cook around 485-550deg., for 7-8 min., anything higher will burn the bottom of the pie. Everyone says my pies are great and some say it is the best thay ate but feel i could be doing better. Is my techniques valid or close to doing it right?....Thanks all.
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Re: My NY Pies
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2012, 11:09:54 AM »
Also. The dough seems to shape well after the 1st day in the cooler and 1-3 hrs room temp. throws good too. But the 2nd day the dough is more softer and have to shape it faster because it stretches real fast. Although sometimes i would put a doughball back in the cooler for the next night after it was out a couple of hrs. What ingredient would effect that? Love this site and the expert advice from you guys here. Also i am really enjoying my 3 night pizza gig very much(when busy making pies).
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Re: My NY Pies
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2012, 11:23:35 AM »
Hi Frank,

Lovely looking pizza there.  Beautiful oven you bought also.  I am guessing you have a pickup truck to get that oven to and from the
Legion each week :-)  No way that will fit into the back of a car :-)

As for your technique, I'm sure it's really good, others will comment on your ingredient percentages, however, it's hard to really judge looking
at your pizza.  Why do I say that ? well 99% of people here use their home ovens to bake their pizzas as do I, and you just can't compare *taste*
of a pizza coming from a commercial oven to one that you have at home.

Easy words to say, BUT... I know from experience.  I was fortunate enough to be helping out at a local pizzera for quite some time, a few years ago,
and while there, I was invited to have some of my dough run through the owner's oven at his pizzeria.

I've been making pizza for over 20 years, it's always the same, same taste, same kind of  texture.

I took some dough that I had made to the pizzeria, and the owner ran it through his sheeter, then added some sauce and cheese to it, and ran
it through his pizza oven.  *** ---> The difference was like night and day.  MY dough, my simple homemade dough, turned out so awesome, I almost kissed
his hot oven LOL.  When you bake for so long, so many years, and then have YOUR own product go from "ok" to totally AWESOME, it's a big deal.  I was so
happy, I could have jumped up and down.  That's how excited I was.  The owner told me, first off that my dough was really nice before he put it through his sheeter
and then told me after it was baked, while we were having a slice that he could sell it out of his pizza joint, and nobody would know it wasn't his product.

The light for me went on at that moment...  all the technique in the world doesn't do everything, the magic, the true magic is in the oven.  I saw it first hand,
and I'll never forget that.  Yeah amazing.  

I'd love to have an oven like yours, but I see it's about $2,800 ... ouch.  Up here in Canada, that thing is going to be $3,500 or MORE.  Nice oven, your pizza looks great Frank, I'm sure you are doing everything right too.

Edit: additional notes:  I just read your next post about the dough in the cooler .... on that thought.... pizza places up here NEVER EVER use dough they made that day.  So today being Friday, all dough used today was made yesterday....  I also do this at home, if I want pizza today, I actually make the dough Wed..... I find the dough is just that much better... the flavours in the dough start to come out more, more rounded, just better tasting,  by day 3 you start getting this sour dough kind of taste to the dough which I really love....
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Re: My NY Pies
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2012, 11:34:34 AM »
Hi Frank,

Lovely looking pizza there.  Beautiful oven you bought also.  I am guessing you have a pickup truck to get that oven to and from the
Legion each week :-)  No way that will fit into the back of a car :-)

As for your technique, I'm sure it's really good, others will comment on your ingredient percentages, however, it's hard to really judge looking
at your pizza.  Why do I say that ? well 99% of people here use their home ovens to bake their pizzas as do I, and you just can't compare *taste*
of a pizza coming from a commercial oven to one that you have at home.

Easy words to say, BUT... I know from experience.  I was fortunate enough to be helping out at a local pizzera for quite some time, a few years ago,
and while there, I was invited to have some of my dough run through the owner's oven at his pizzeria.

I've been making pizza for over 20 years, it's always the same, same taste, same kind of  texture.

I took some dough that I had made to the pizzeria, and the owner ran it through his sheeter, then added some sauce and cheese to it, and ran
it through his pizza oven.  *** ---> The difference was like night and day.  MY dough, my simple homemade dough, turned out so awesome, I almost kissed
his hot oven LOL.  When you bake for so long, so many years, and then have YOUR own product go from "ok" to totally AWESOME, it's a big deal.  I was so
happy, I could have jumped up and down.  That's how excited I was.  The owner told me, first off that my dough was really nice before he put it through his sheeter
and then told me after it was baked, while we were having a slice that he could sell it out of his pizza joint, and nobody would know it wasn't his product.

The light for me went on at that moment...  all the technique in the world doesn't do everything, the magic, the true magic is in the oven.  I saw it first hand,
and I'll never forget that.  Yeah amazing.  

I'd love to have an oven like yours, but I see it's about $2,800 ... ouch.  Up here in Canada, that thing is going to be $3,500 or MORE.  Nice oven, your pizza looks great Frank, I'm sure you are doing everything right too.
Why thank you very much! I keep the oven at the Legion club kitchen, it's just down the road. I love my oven too and miss it here at home. Would love the gig to grow because i want to try a BakersPride gas deck oven with a 7 1/2 inch high single deck floor stand model so i could bring my counter oven back home, i miss her here :,(        p.s.  I bet you did feel great to see how delicious your dough cooked up at a pizza shop ;D
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Re: My NY Pies
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2012, 11:38:01 AM »
Hi Frank,

Ah gee, so you never bring it home.... oh gee, I'd go nuts leaving it there.  Imagine all the fun you are missing in your backyard, not having that set up there for parties, etc......  I'd love to have that oven here, and try one of my pizza :-)

and yes, it felt amazing.  I really really want a real pizza oven !

Will you be willing to give your ingredients for that pizza ?
I'm curious to see how you get your percentages.  I have never worked with %, I only do cups and teaspoons.

I'm guessing you weigh all your ingredients to get the percentages ?

I'm just curious to see how much flour, water and yeast you use for your recipe.

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Re: My NY Pies
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2012, 11:55:02 AM »
Hi Frank,

Ah gee, so you never bring it home.... oh gee, I'd go nuts leaving it there.  Imagine all the fun you are missing in your backyard, not having that set up there for parties, etc......  I'd love to have that oven here, and try one of my pizza :-)

and yes, it felt amazing.  I really really want a real pizza oven !

Will you be willing to give your ingredients for that pizza ?
I'm curious to see how you get your percentages.  I have never worked with %, I only do cups and teaspoons.

I'm guessing you weigh all your ingredients to get the percentages ?

I'm just curious to see how much flour, water and yeast you use for your recipe.


I use scales to weigh. my recipie would convert to...For 2- 16"pies=Two 21.11oz. dough balls = Flour-26.4oz.  Water-15.1oz. IDY-.49tsp. Salt-1.98tsp. Oil-2.5tsp. Sugar-2.22tsp.

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Re: My NY Pies
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2012, 01:58:45 AM »
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Nice work! Keep posting more pics when you can!
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Re: My NY Pies
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2012, 06:21:31 PM »
Mr. Franko I think those are the best looking pizzas I have seen on this forum. Thank you for sharing the pics.


 



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