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Offline hamlove

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I need a whole lot of help
« on: July 15, 2008, 01:06:36 AM »
I just don't understand lehman's pizza making. If i just wanted to make 2 twelve inch pizzas how do I figure it out. I use active yeast and I have seen that there is a different kind used. I am sorry for seeming so dum. I have only understood things in cups and tbsp. Someone help please.

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Re: I need a whole lot of help
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2008, 07:05:32 AM »
hamlove,

It would help to know what kind and brand of flour you will be using, and also whether you have a stand mixer.

As background reading on the Lehmann NY style dough, you may also want to take a look at this thread: http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,2223.msg19503.html#msg19503. For your purposes, it will be necessary to make some changes to the basic recipe but the procedures should be pretty much the same as described in the abovereferenced thread. Substituting ADY for IDY in the basic Lehmann recipe should not be a problem.

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Re: I need a whole lot of help
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2008, 08:23:04 AM »
Ham,

It seems that you are running into confusion over the plethora of recipes on this site given in baker's percentages.  Baker's percentages are a more exact method of measuring ingredients that gives the list in the ingredients in ratio to the amount of flour used.  Since different flours have different densities, people use this to track their experiments and it also allows the recipe to be replicated by others.  This is because you can measure, by volume, flour several different ways and pack the flour more tightly than someone else.  Therefore what you measure as 1 cup of flour and it weighs x ounces, someone else might measure as one cup, but because they tamped it down, it weighs y ounces, not x. 

Peter is a wiz at converting recipes in baker's percentages into volume-based recipes, so if you reply with the recipe and the type of flour you are using, I am sure he will be able to give you a very thorough answer.

The other item you indicate is that you have active dry yeast.  This yeast needs to be proofed in a little bit of warm water before being added to the flour.  Quite a few recipes on here use instant dry yeast which does not have to be proofed and can be added in a dry state to the flour.  You can replace IDY with ADY, but it is not a 1 to 1 replacement.  I forget the ratio, but someone else might be able to pipe in with that.

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Re: I need a whole lot of help
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2008, 08:25:08 AM »
Ah, Peter added to his response while I was typing.  Ham, follow his link because it is very informative.

-MdM

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Re: I need a whole lot of help
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2008, 11:44:52 AM »
Thanks for all the info. I am trying to make a twelve inch ny style pizza using king author bread flour. I have a stand mixer that I use for the kneading. I bake my pizzas on unglazed tile. (quarry tile) at 500 degrees, around 7 minutes. I use the active yeast in the little packs. If someone can break down a pizza for me thanks a million. Ham

I want to ask one more thing, can anyone convert the pj recipe with what I use. Sorry for asking to much, I just want a good pizza. Thanks to all for all the help.

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Re: I need a whole lot of help
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2008, 01:04:22 PM »
hamlove,

I used the Lehmann dough calculating tool at http://www.pizzamaking.com/dough_calculator.html to come up with a Lehmann NY style dough formulation suitable for making dough for two 12" pizzas. It is as follows:

King Arthur Bread Flour (100%):
Water (62%):
ADY (0.333%):
Salt (1.75%):
Oil (1%):
Total (165.083%):
Single Ball:
413.99 g  |  14.6 oz | 0.91 lbs
256.67 g  |  9.05 oz | 0.57 lbs
1.38 g | 0.05 oz | 0 lbs | 0.36 tsp | 0.12 tbsp
7.24 g | 0.26 oz | 0.02 lbs | 1.3 tsp | 0.43 tbsp
4.14 g | 0.15 oz | 0.01 lbs | 0.92 tsp | 0.31 tbsp
683.42 g | 24.11 oz | 1.51 lbs | TF = 0.106575
341.71 g | 12.05 oz | 0.75 lbs
Note: Nominal thickness factor = 0.105; bowl residue compensation = 1.5%

You will note from the above table that I used a nominal thickness factor of 0.105. That will produce a crust thickness that is characteristic of a NY "street" style pizza. By using the Lehmann tool, you can increase or decrease that value to make a thicker or thinner crust, as you wish. I also used a bowl residue compensation value of 1.5%. The purpose of that compensation is to compensate for minor dough losses during the preparation of the dough--due to dough sticking to the dough hook, sides of the bowl, your fingers, etc. When I make pizza dough, even when using a bowl residue compensation, I try to scrape off the dough from everything so that I keep my losses to a minimum. Even with that degree of care, some minor dough losses are inevitable.

To convert the weight of flour in the above table, 14.6 ounces, to volume measurements, I used member November's Mass-Volume Conversion Calculator at http://tools.foodsim.com/. You will note that the KABF is one of the ingredients in the pulldown menu. For conversion purposes, I used the "Textbook" method of flour measurement. That method is described at Reply 21 at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,6576.msg56397/topicseen.html#msg56397. That is the method that you should use with your measuring cups and spoons. On this basis, the 14.6 ounces of KABF converts to 3 c. + 4 T. + about 1/4 t. The measurements using your measuring spoons should be level measurements, not heaping measurements.

The water in the above table, 9.05 ounces, converts to a bit over 1 1/8 c. You should view the marking(s) of your measuring cup(s) at eye level with the measuring cup(s) on a flat surface.

To prepare the dough, I suggest that you follow the instructions as given in the thread that I referenced in my last post. If you use ADY, you will want to rehydrate it in a small amount of the formula water, at around 105 degrees F, for about 10 minutes. The rehydrated ADY can then be added to the rest of the formula water, which should be on the cool side.

As for the pj recipe, see my earlier post at Reply 3 at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,6947.msg59684.html#new.

Please keep us posted on your results. If you can post photos of your results, that would be useful.

Peter
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Re: I need a whole lot of help
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2008, 02:04:24 PM »
I am so sorry for bothering you but how do I get that recipe into cups and tbsp. I am so new at this and all the help I can get I need. on the pj recipe how would I use active yeast with this recipe and can I add it right in the mixture or do i need to put it in water first. I hope to soon get this down. Thanks so much for all the help. Ham

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Re: I need a whole lot of help
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2008, 03:06:25 PM »
Ham,

I am not sure I understand your question or problem. I gave the volume measurements for all of the ingredients for the Lehmann dough recipe. For the ADY, salt and oil, you will have to round out the measures (the Lehmann tool cannot do that as presently designed). To summarize, here is the recipe:

KABF: 3 c. + 4 t. + about 1/4 t. (You should use the Textbook method to measure out)
Water: A bit more than 1 1/8 c.
ADY: A bit more than 1/3 t. (or use 1/4 t. + 1/8 t.)
Salt: About 1 1/4 t. (that's 1 t. + 1/4 t.)
Oil: About 1 t.

If this doesn't resolve your problem, please let me know.

I described how to use ADY for the pj dough in the post I earlier referenced: http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,6947.msg59684.html#new.

Peter
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Re: I need a whole lot of help
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2008, 03:40:39 PM »
with using the conversion table were you type in the oz to get the cups or tsp, which ones are for salt and the yeast. Is the salt amount you said 1 tablespoon or 1 teaspoon. Sorry. THanks

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Re: I need a whole lot of help
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2008, 03:51:49 PM »
with using the conversion table were you type in the oz to get the cups or tsp, which ones are for salt and the yeast. Is the salt amount you said 1 tablespoon or 1 teaspoon. Sorry. THanks


Ham,

I used the Lehmann dough calculating tool at http://www.pizzamaking.com/dough_calculator.html to come up with the overall recipe (in Reply 5), which gave us the volume measurements for salt, ADY and the oil, and I used the Mass-Volume Conversion Calculator at http://tools.foodsim.com/ to convert the weight of flour to volume measurements. I weighed the water on my scale and visually converted it to a volume measurement. The salt is 1 1/4 t.

Peter
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Re: I need a whole lot of help
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2008, 04:28:58 PM »
What are the steps to make this pizza at home. Thank you so much for all the time you have helped me with. Ham

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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2008, 04:35:00 PM »
What are the steps to make this pizza at home.


Ham,

At the thread referenced earlier in Reply 2 (http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,2223.msg19503.html#msg19503). You can read the opening posts, but most of the details start at Reply 8 in that thread. Since you are planning to use ADY instead of IDY, you will have to rehydrate the ADY in a small amount of water at around 105 degrees F for about 10 minutes. The rehydrated ADY can then be added to the rest of the water, which, for this time of year, should be on the cool side (e.g., around 65 degrees F). The rest of the steps should be pretty much as described in the abovereferenced thread.

Peter
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