Sour dough,
Thanks for that tip! Its nice to see you posting other than that silly IVR argument, man that wore me out just reading it! I just recently learned how to do the link thing. I have been concetrating on making pizzas and focusing the various types of dough and crust. offered here on the forum.
I want Sicilian !they want cracker its 4 against 1 
I WILL get to yours
John
Always glad to help when I can, John!
The IVR thread is done, at least for me. I just posted my last response. You're right... it was a silly argument, but then many of them on this site (and others) are!
I hope that you will convince the crowd to try my sicilian... it's SO good! It's really only an oblong deep dish kinda thing if you think about it!
When I make my real deep dish (thanks for the recipe, loo!!) I use a deep springform quiche pan which works very well for getting the pie out intact.
~sd