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« on: May 09, 2009, 09:01:29 AM »

In another thread Pete-zza made reference to a recipe and method for a Rustic Ciabatta Pizza, and provided this link http://hollosyt.googlepages.com/quickrusticciabattapizza .  Thank you Peter.   Other forum members, including the author of this recipe, have also posted regarding this pizza.  However, I elected to start a new thread to keep the topic current.

The recipe is given by volume instead of by weight, so I made some conversions and ran it through the dough calculator.  Although a photograph caption indicated that it was a 100% hydration recipe, I used the mass - volume food converter which reflected one cup of water being about 237 grams; - then went to the dough calculator to convert the recipe into weights:

Flour (100%):       250 g  |  8.82 oz | 0.55 lbs
Water (94.8%):    237 g  |  8.36 oz | 0.52 lbs
IDY (1.2%):              3 g | 0.11 oz | 0.01 lbs | 1 tsp | 0.33 tbsp
Salt (2.8%):             7 g | 0.25 oz | 0.02 lbs | 1.46 tsp | 0.49 tbsp
Total (198.8%):      497 g | 17.53 oz | 1.1 lbs | TF = N/A

Peter and I discussed 2 items that were unclear in the recipe, that is the type of yeast and water temperature.  I used IDY and room temperature water.  The recipe was extremely easy to execute and the dough came together in my mixer after about 6 minutes ( the recipe indicated 10 or more minutes).  It yields a dough that is more like a thick batter.  I poured it into an oiled plastic bowl and it tripled in size in about the specified 2 hours.  I then dumped it onto a well floured cutting board, emphasis on well floured.  After the dough rises it is very bubbly, almost jello-like and extremely sticky.  Impossible to do anything with unless there is a lot of flour involved.  I did an initial shaping on the cutting board then slid it onto my SuperPeel for final shaping.  It shapes very easily but is also quite delicate.

I usually rub a thin layer of EVOO on top of the dough for some flavor and to prevent sauce penetration.  However, this dough will not tolerate such a massage so I sprayed on a light coating of Pam.  Then it was topped with sauce, Grande part skim mozz, and some sauteed mushrooms & onions.  Into my Wesco 560 oven at about 650 degrees on a stone.  Prior to this one, all of my pizzas are well cooked after about 5 to 6 minutes.  However, probably because of the high hydration, this one took about 8 or 9 minutes.

I must admit, the crust is everything the author claimed it to be - crisp exterior, light bubbly interior, with just the right amount of chewiness and texture.   Really good.  I’m actually shocked over how good this crust is after only a 2 hour proof!

Now the down side - the dough is very hard to work with because of the hydration.  Not hard to work with as far as shaping, that’s very easy.  I can see people having a big problem transferring it from the cutting board to the peel and peel to oven.  But with the SuperPeel it was not much of an issue for me.  Absent the SuperPeel, I guess you’d have to do the parchment or a screen.  The other issue, also related to the hydration, is all the bench flour required to interact with this dough.  With all my other doughs, around 64% hydration, I use very little bench flour and the bottom of the pizza is clean.  This ciabatta pizza yields a bottom crust with a nearly complete layer of flour.  Not something I like or am accustomed to.  But the taste and texture of this crust easily outweighs the flour issue.   Attached photos include the shaped skin, dressed skin, slice profile, bottom, and a partially devoured remnant. 


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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2009, 09:14:08 AM »

Photos continued


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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2009, 09:16:37 AM »

Made it again, just to make sure it wasn't beginner's luck.  Great the second time too, this one with meatball. Oh, both pies were about 14" in diameter.


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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2009, 11:05:26 AM »

BurntEdges,

That pizza looks great-I am going to make this one next week.

What kind of flour did you use?

Thanks,

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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2009, 01:00:29 PM »

I used King Arthur Bread Flour.

Mortons Kosher salt.

Sorry I left that out.  I thought I covered everything, but ya' know how that goes.  Thanks.
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2009, 03:02:03 PM »

Wow, that looks alot like what my pizzas are currently looking like as far as crust texture goes Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2009, 09:47:26 PM »

Loooks Awsome Shocked
I am also planning to try this one for sure I just bought a book for  $.06 "Focaccia" Simple breads from the Italian Oven by Carol Field. But that will  now have to wait for the Ciabatta. I dont think so but Do these 2 types share any similarities?
Please post your results Jeff
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2009, 10:41:10 AM »

Loooks Awsome Shocked
I am also planning to try this one for sure I just bought a book for  $.06 "Focaccia" Simple breads from the Italian Oven by Carol Field. But that will  now have to wait for the Ciabatta. I dont think so but Do these 2 types share any similarities?
Please post your results Jeff
Thanks

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John,

Thanks for the kind words.  I'm not familiar with the book you referenced, so I don't know how the 2 recipes compare.  However, I routinely make a focaccia with another pizza dough and it comes out quite nice.  I stretch the skin into an oblong shape and dress it with a light coating of EVOO, minced garlic, herbs, and pepper.  I haven't tried it with the rustic ciabatta dough but that's a great idea!
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2009, 05:11:45 AM »

Made my focaccia with this dough last night and it was fantastic!


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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2009, 10:57:38 AM »

LOVE It !!
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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2009, 11:32:01 AM »

Could this recipe be adapted to the use of oil in the dough, or is the hydration just too high for that ?
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2009, 11:52:24 AM »

Could this recipe be adapted to the use of oil in the dough, or is the hydration just too high for that ?

JLP,

Based on my experience with the Jeffrey Steingarten dough formulation that I discussed at Replies 3 and 4 at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,8384.msg73720.html#msg73720, I don't see why you can't use oil in a high-hydration dough formulation. For the Steingarten dough formulation, I estimated almost 10% oil. If my experience with the Steingarten dough was typical, you may find that the pizza can bake for some time before you start to have problems with overbaking of the bottom crust. The top bake is likely to be more of a problem, especially with the cheese overcooking. I would think that the Rustic Ciabatta dough is likely to bake up similarly to the Steingarten dough, especially if you use a lot of oil.

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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2009, 03:06:17 PM »

Hey, I'm the "author" of the recipe you're referring to. Glad people are using it, I've used oil in it before, didn't really do anything for me.
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2009, 12:20:11 PM »

Thanks for chiming in Lil. 

This dough always performs well for me.  I was looking to adjust this recipe for a 2 day cold rise in the fridge, followed by a 1 or 2 hour counter warm up before baking.  Have you tried anything like that with this dough?  How would you suggest I adjust the recipe for a cold rise?  I'm sure we're looking at a decrease in the yeast, but any adjustment to the hydration?  Thanks.
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