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[wiyum]

I'm in the process of making my first attempt at making Chicago-style pizza. My goal, eventually, is to make something very close to what I get every time I return to Lou Malnati's. A lofty goal, I realize, but I need to do as best I can while I'm here in godless New York, where Chicago pizza is verboten (I say the same thing about godless Chicago, where NY pizza is likewise verboten... I'll never understand this pointless feud).

At any rate, I'm starting with DKM's recipe to make sure I can get the dough basics and prep down, then I might branch out into some of the other recipes found on the forums (most of the promising ones are also from DKM, though the newer one with a semolina blend sounds intriguing if I could lay my hands on some semolina flour. I grabbed some deli-cut sliced moz, a 28-ounce can of crushed tomatoes (Cento, chosen because it was the only can that listed nothing but tomatoes in the ingredients list... once I get my feet wet and feel confident I'll drop the coin to order some 6-in-1), and some Trader Joes pepperoni. My 12-inch diameter, 2-inch deep iron skillet is well-seasoned and ready for action. Dough is rising in the fridge, and felt nothing like the normal dough I make.

Now I ask each of you (especially the Malnati-heads) which recipe you've had the best luck with in mimicking Lou's. I also wonder how you source your moz and if you find that it makes much of a difference. I wonder what kind of pepperoni people have the best luck with. I wonder if you anticipate the Cento crushed tomatoes to have such a terrible effect that they ought not be used for training purposes (is there a suitable training brand that'd be easy to find until I feel ready to special order the 6-in-1?). Should the skillet be fine, or do I really need to get a pan? Finally, I've watched the Marc Malnati throwdown clip on Youtube, and noticed that he puts raw sausage on the bottom of the pie. I've always pre-cooked sausage for pizza, and wondered what the consensus was there, for my next effort.

I'll report back when this one's in the rearview, but any info on any of these questions would be very appreciated. I've been pouring through these forums for a couple of days and have certainly learned a great deal, but it is hard to consolidate all of the info, so I figured I'd come out and ask what was on my mind.

Thanks,

Will

[loowaters]

Will, I've never used Cento's crushed tomatoes but their Italian whole peeled tomatoes are really good and I prefer to use them when I can get them for my deep dish pies.  Hand crushed and de-seeded Cento's are excellent.  6 in 1's are fine as well but I do something different with them, I puree them and add that puree to lesser quality tomatoes (like if I have to use Progresso or, heaven forbid, Hunts) that I've hand crushed to better the flavor of the sauce when I can't find Cento's.

Using a skillet should be fine so don't worry about that.  While I didn't love the results I had with a cast iron skillet, many have had success.  Again, don't worry about it...but get a pan down the line.

Some here will precook sausage before going on the pie but the major deep dish places use raw sausage on the pie.  I press it down a bit now just to flatten it out to be sure it cooks through as a thinner layer will cook more quickly, and thoroughly, than a larger chunk.

Loo

[BTB]

Will, welcome to the website.  I'm just returning to pizza making myself after having the summer off.  I spent my summer back in the Chicago area tasting some of their best and now have to try again myself to recreate some of their great pizzas.

Just some quick remarks in response to yours:  I tried various forms of Cento (am told it's pronounced like Chento) tomato products and found all of them to be unsatisfactory to me and my taste testers at least.  And they were rated, I believe, in last place in one of the website reviews (believe it was Amer. Test Kitchen or Cook's Country) and "not recommended."  But others think differently, so like everything, you'll have to try and decide for yourself.  My favorites are 6-in-1 (cheap & easy to order over the internet), Pastenes, or Glen Muir.  Many have reported Walmart's Great Value crushed tomatoes to be excellent also.  For deep dish you should strain the crushed tomatoes for 15 to 30 minutes or else risk getting a "wet" pizza.

Regarding cheese, I've never found much difference in all the various brands and I know that's heresy here.  Boar's Head is great, but so are Sorrento, Polly, Kraft and many other brands that I've come across.  Use low moisture to avoid the possibility of a "wet" pizza also.  And for deep dish, I use 50/50 mozzarella and provolone.  Sometimes I add a tiny bit of "fresh" mozzarella to get a more creamy affect, but such has a great tendency to get the pizza too wet.

I've never used a cast iron pan but many have reportedly done well with such.  I think if you get serious with making pizzas you may want to get a dark pan like those at the famous Chicago deep dish pizzerias.  Actually, those got dark after years of use and seasoning.  One cannot hope to get a shiny pan dark in home use except over the course of decades, so its best to buy one pre-darkened.  I've found the 12" and 9" straight-sided pans to be the ideal sizes for general use.  My large 14" rarely gets used and its best to use that size for a larger group.  (Caution: 16" pans often don't fit into many people's oven.)

I always put my sausage on uncooked just like 98% of all Chicago pizzerias.  One exception may be for thin crust pizzas made in an extremely hot oven whereby cooking time is just a quick few minutes, which is more common in many east coast pizzas (hence the reason for sausage slices rather than clumps or larger sausage pieces).  Otherwise 20 minutes of cooking for deep dish or 12 to 15 minutes for Chgo thin crust thoroughly cooks the sausage (at 425 to 475 degrees F).  When I add pepperoni, it usually is Boar's Head brand.  Avoid the common cheaper brands.  And you may want to "nuke" some of the pepperoni on a paper towel for a few seconds in a microwave to get some of the oil out.

As far as the dough recipes go, you should search this whole website and experiment with the formulations to find what suits your tastes and determine what you think most closely matches what you are looking for.  I've put many recipes on this site and prefer those with a little semolina and even -- from time to time -- a little rice flour (which my taste testers really prefer).

Good luck.  Take plenty of pictures and report on your experiences.      --BTB

[Ryderman]

I have been trying this recipe for over 10 years. It does not work for me. I will tell you the closest I came is using crisco shortening but still not right. I would love to get this recipe right. Lou Malnatti's dough is the best. It is crispy and is crumbly not flaky. Cheese, matters. The best I used is Gardena whole milk. The flavor is great. Good Luck, Jim

I'm in the process of making my first attempt at making Chicago-style pizza. My goal, eventually, is to make something very close to what I get every time I return to Lou Malnati's. A lofty goal, I realize, but I need to do as best I can while I'm here in godless New York, where Chicago pizza is verboten (I say the same thing about godless Chicago, where NY pizza is likewise verboten... I'll never understand this pointless feud).

At any rate, I'm starting with DKM's recipe to make sure I can get the dough basics and prep down, then I might branch out into some of the other recipes found on the forums (most of the promising ones are also from DKM, though the newer one with a semolina blend sounds intriguing if I could lay my hands on some semolina flour. I grabbed some deli-cut sliced moz, a 28-ounce can of crushed tomatoes (Cento, chosen because it was the only can that listed nothing but tomatoes in the ingredients list... once I get my feet wet and feel confident I'll drop the coin to order some 6-in-1), and some Trader Joes pepperoni. My 12-inch diameter, 2-inch deep iron skillet is well-seasoned and ready for action. Dough is rising in the fridge, and felt nothing like the normal dough I make.

Now I ask each of you (especially the Malnati-heads) which recipe you've had the best luck with in mimicking Lou's. I also wonder how you source your moz and if you find that it makes much of a difference. I wonder what kind of pepperoni people have the best luck with. I wonder if you anticipate the Cento crushed tomatoes to have such a terrible effect that they ought not be used for training purposes (is there a suitable training brand that'd be easy to find until I feel ready to special order the 6-in-1?). Should the skillet be fine, or do I really need to get a pan? Finally, I've watched the Marc Malnati throwdown clip on Youtube, and noticed that he puts raw sausage on the bottom of the pie. I've always pre-cooked sausage for pizza, and wondered what the consensus was there, for my next effort.

I'll report back when this one's in the rearview, but any info on any of these questions would be very appreciated. I've been pouring through these forums for a couple of days and have certainly learned a great deal, but it is hard to consolidate all of the info, so I figured I'd come out and ask what was on my mind.

Thanks,

Will