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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2009, 07:45:16 AM »
Check this recent post with my normal formula: http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,9705.0.html

You can use the dough tool to reduce this down to 12-13" or whatever size you desire.


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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2009, 02:23:41 PM »
Do you know the % on all the ingredients, I usually make about 10 dough balls so those measurements wouldn't help to much. Good looking pies though, really nice crust and thickness.

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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2009, 02:39:41 PM »
Using the method of dividing each ingredient weight by the weight of the flour, I got the following:

100% All Trumps Bromated Flour
58% Filtered Water
.5% IDY
3% Olive Oil
3% Salt
.06% Garlic
.06% Onion Powder

I find that a good 2-day cold rise provides excellent results, although the doughs are good to go in 24hrs, and will last up to 7 days in frig. Post pics, good luck!!

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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2009, 09:25:48 PM »
Cool thanks again, I will defiantly put pictures up. I am going to try making them as big as I can maybe try the screen/stone combo.

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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2009, 02:02:42 PM »
Do you think adding 6g of onion and garlic powder to this will add a taste difference or should I add more?

Flour (100%):    1544.34 g  |  54.47 oz | 3.4 lbs
Water (70.3704%):    1086.76 g  |  38.33 oz | 2.4 lbs
IDY (0.14757%):    2.28 g | 0.08 oz | 0.01 lbs | 0.76 tsp | 0.25 tbsp
Salt (1.64063%):    25.34 g | 0.89 oz | 0.06 lbs | 4.54 tsp | 1.51 tbsp
Canola Oil (2.66999%):    41.23 g | 1.45 oz | 0.09 lbs | 9.08 tsp | 3.03 tbsp
Sugar (0.19531%):    3.02 g | 0.11 oz | 0.01 lbs | 0.76 tsp | 0.25 tbsp
Semolina (11.1111%):    171.59 g | 6.05 oz | 0.38 lbs | 16.44 tbsp | 1.03 cups
Total (186.135%):   2874.56 g | 101.4 oz | 6.34 lbs | TF = 0.08405
Single Ball:   479.09 g | 16.9 oz | 1.06 lbs

I don't want people to know that I added them but I want the crust to have a better flavor and people to be like "what is that". My crust has good flavor but I want to push it to the next level a little bit more. I am also going to try out my Caputo dough in this one as well and see what happens.
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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2009, 10:21:06 PM »
Anyone? Pete or abilak

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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2009, 07:44:01 AM »
David,

I don't personally use garlic powder or onion powder in my pizza doughs so I can only tell you what I have read on the subject from people who know the effects of using those powders in pizza doughs. So, on that basis, you might take a look at a Tom Lehmann Think Tank post at http://thinktank.pmq.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7797&p=53267&hilit=garlic+powder+lehmann#p53267 where Tom suggests that garlic powder be used at 0.15% of the total flour weight. However, I do not believe that 0.15% is the upper limit since, in the first Q&A at http://www.pmq.com/mag/20070607/lehmann.php, Tom specifies a value of 0.25%. In your case, with a total flour weight (All Trumps and semolina) of 1715.93 grams, 0.15% comes to 2.56 grams and 0.25% comes to 4.29 grams. I further wrote on this subject not too long ago at Reply 2 at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,9320.msg80647/topicseen.html#msg80647. 

Whatever you do with the garlic and onion powders, you don't want to go overboard, as I discussed in a post at Reply 8 at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,6680.msg57325/topicseen.html#msg57325. In that case, as noted at Reply 11 in the same thread, the poster noted the deleterious effects of using too much onion powder in the dough.

abilak is bound to have considerable experience with levels of garlic powder and onion powder to use. However, in a dough formulation that abilak used earlier this year, and which I converted to a baker's percent format at Reply 5 at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,7689.msg66071.html#msg66071, by my calculation abilak used 0.80% each of garlic powder and onion powder, apparently will no ill effect. So, it looks like you have a pretty wide range of values to play around with.

Good luck and let us know how your use of either or both of the powders works out.

Peter

EDIT (4/18/13): For the Wayback Machine link to the dead link referenced above, see http://web.archive.org/web/20080321081127/http://www.pmq.com/mag/20070607/lehmann.php
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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2009, 08:27:00 AM »
I agree, you can go a little more... if the dough seems to dry, then just add a few more drops of water. It took me a while to get mine just right, where it comes out exactly the same, every time. At this moment I'm firing up my oven and using one of these doughs. I'll post pics later today.

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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2009, 09:35:06 AM »
Cool thanks guys.

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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2009, 10:15:51 AM »
Using the formula posted above I made 2 doughs 3 days ago.
I just made this pie, came out great.



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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2009, 11:55:12 AM »
abilak,

It's interesting how all of the jalapeno slices moved to one end of the pizza during baking. How did you do that--did you bake on a slant with one edge of the screen higher than the other ???. Or maybe they are allergic to garlic and onion powder and tried to escape to the Mexican border?

Peter
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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2009, 12:28:11 PM »
Ha ha ha.... no its baked even... I place them like that before cooking because my Wife loves the jalepenos on her "side". I don't care for them that much on pizza.

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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2009, 03:07:37 PM »
You make pizza 10 o'clock in the morning, where do you live I want some. :-D

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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2009, 05:04:27 PM »
Hell yeah! I was off this morning so I couldn't resist. I live in East Central FL, right on the beach.

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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2009, 07:30:49 PM »
DAMN. Lucky guy I am in the nice cold weather of Boston... its 27F here :'(

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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2009, 03:25:20 PM »
Ha ha ha.... no its baked even... I place them like that before cooking because my Wife loves the jalepenos on her "side". I don't care for them that much on pizza.

Yes "side" indeed, lol, and clear you're not a fan as they are nowhere even close to the middle! Great looking pie btw.


You make pizza 10 o'clock in the morning, where do you live I want some. :-D

I'm not surprised at all. If you look at the pic closely and note the plant life I have circled it's clear why anytime is a good time for pizza! I have enlarged a section of the picture using my Photo-Tron 6000 digital enhancer, coupled with Kayatsu Image filtration software, and superimposed the results on the bottom left. That said peace dude, and keep on 'bakin'!  8)


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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2009, 05:12:46 PM »
excellent oregano replacement  :-D

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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2009, 05:26:01 PM »
ha ha ha ha ha ha! nice man.
too bad you can't smoke bamboo LOL.

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Re: NAPICS 2009 New York Style Dough Recipe
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2010, 11:05:25 PM »
Here is the same recipe, 5 day slow ferment in frig.