Black Sicilian Pan Temperature Tolerances?

[pizzablogger]

Hey Everyone.

My wife got me a 16x16x1 non-stick (I wanted a regular one without the non-stock coating, but oh well  ) black square Sicilian pizza pan from BakeDeco.com:

http://www.bakedeco.com/dept.asp?id=151

After asking several people, I got them to call the manufacturer to find out what the maximum recommended temp was. The answer was 500°F for both the non-stick and regular (without non-stick coating) pans. I am having troubles clarifying if that is being cited because above that is when the non-stick coating may leech off or because of worries about warping/melting from the heat itself.

I'll take the chance on warping if there would be no leeching of the coating.

Does anyone know if the pans from pizza tools have a higher temp tolerance?

http://www.pizzatools.com/SearchByCategory.aspx?CategoryCode=158000#158097

500°F is awfully low. I cook at 550°F in my own home and am curious to put a pan in a WFO fired to a low-high temp like 700° to 750°F on the floor.


Thanks! --K

[Pete-zza]

Does anyone know if the pans from pizza tools have a higher temp tolerance?

http://www.pizzatools.com/SearchByCategory.aspx?CategoryCode=158000#158097

PB,

See Reply 11 at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,7152.msg62042.html#msg62042.

Peter

[pizzablogger]

Thank you Peter.

So, my understanding is that the Lloyds pans non-stick coating will NOT harmfully impact food at *any* temperature, but that above 600°F the non-stick properties of the coating would not work and a stuck pizza may be the result (which EVOO would help with anyways).

I'm having difficulty getting a timely answer from where I got mine. They should know all that if they intend to have people pay for the item.

Thanks again! --K

[JConk007]

OK just an FYI never even checked the stats/ operating temps. oops!  I have used my 2 allied metals black buster ( non stick?) pans in my WFO hearth around 500+ or more oven temp at 650 -700  for deep dish after oven has cooled a bit,with no problems. I have also used my llyod cutter pan in the wfo with no adverse affects.
John

[widespreadpizza]

Pizzablogger,  By the looks of them I think that these pans are actually made for a company called fat daddio.  I just picked up some coated,  by accident and some regulars/uncoated.  Any chance if you look at the bottom of the pan that you can see a faint imprint of text?  If so,  I can help you with some more information.  The people at fat daddios were really helpful to me as I had the same set of questions for them.  I will have to look through some back email,  but I should have the name of the company that makes the coating,  and temp recomendations -marc

[pizzablogger]

Heya Marc...no faint imprint on the pans at all.

I got another reply that the manufacturer recommends 500°F as the temp the pans would last longer at, but they could withstand higher temps, but would not last as long.

They also mentioned the coating is a NSF approved coating and it’s not harmful, but it is VERY frustrating in that I specifically asked WHAT the non-stick coating is comprised of (water based, silicone, teflon, what exactly) and get no answer. NSF International is merely an independent testing company. If the coating is a synthetic PTFE containing coating, what if the NSF tests were conducted at 500°F? That means firing the pans above this point COULD be dangerous.

I am very dissapointed with the lack of information and knowledge from this seller of the pans I got. I just need to know if the friggen non-stick coating is PTFE free or not and, if not, what the maximum temp was used to attain the NSF certification. Sorry to vent.

[pizzablogger]

Okay, I found out that the non-stick pans sold through Brudeke's are made by Allied Metal and are the "Black Buster" line of Sicilian pizza pans.

The non-stick coating is not PTFE free, is not NSF approved and consists of a "food grade coating", but still no answer on what the coating itself is primarily made up of. Allied "does not recommend" firing the pans above 500°F.

So now it will be interesting to see how responsive the returns department at Brudeke's is because I have no use for such a pan and am now in the hunt for a preferably PTFE free pan that can withstand high temps. Thanks everyone for the comments and Happy New Year. --K