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Offline CDNpielover

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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2014, 04:40:51 PM »
that line on the end of the crust really doesn't look like lamination, it looks to me like it was cooked in a pan.  that line doesn't at all match up with the flakes you show in the side shot.  Also, even though it's flaky doesn't necessarily mean it's been laminated.  (look at HRI).  Why don't you just ask the folks at the shop rather than asking people to try and judge from a photo?

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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2014, 04:46:26 PM »
Maybe that line is from a dough press....or maybe they are using "pre made" skins from a mass producer.

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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2014, 05:56:52 PM »
How was their sauce Nate...taste good?

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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2014, 06:44:43 PM »
Their sauce needs some work but their cheese and sausage is killer.
That's a bummer. Back when I lived up there it was usually the sauce that made these lil places stand out from one another. Everyone had basically the same ovens, cheese and sausage. Da sauce was Boss.  :chef:

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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2014, 12:05:47 AM »
Da sauce was Boss. 

Word.  The Pizza Factory recipe was all about the sauce.  We got the dough down pat quickly and the rest of the procedure, too, but the sauce took all kinds of experimentation.

(Again, to beat a dead horse...more sauce recipes here would be great...)

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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2014, 03:44:10 AM »
(Again, to beat a dead horse...more sauce recipes here would be great...)

 ^^^  But the bottom line, as the dead horse has shown us, most use just good quality tomatoes and basil and nothing else on NY and NP pies, which is great, no argument. But like you I like to zip things up sometimes and yours is one of my go to recipes since I started making your spice in bulk doctored a bit to taste. Use it often and on many other things too!!!

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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2014, 11:15:23 AM »
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No. That's just a sign that the dough was trimmed.
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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2014, 11:18:59 AM »
Here is a pic of the inside crust.

From that pic, I'd say the crust MIGHT be laminated.
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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2014, 11:23:17 AM »
I think this pic shows obvious laminated pizza crust. It is not as pronounced as one would see from a pizzeria that is known for having laminated crust pizza....such as "Tommy's" ?

This is the direction I'm leaning, too. I liked what Bob had to say even before I read the "Tommy's" part. I'm still not sure about "obvious," though. (I didn't see this thread until like 5 minutes ago, so I need some time to digest what I'm seeing. Y'know, meditate on it or something.)
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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2014, 02:33:19 PM »
^^^  But the bottom line, as the dead horse has shown us, most use just good quality tomatoes and basil and nothing else on NY and NP pies, which is great, no argument. But like you I like to zip things up sometimes and yours is one of my go to recipes since I started making your spice in bulk doctored a bit to taste. Use it often and on many other things too!!!

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A lot of times people list what they put in their sauces but with no amounts. This is really annoying when you're trying to re-create someone else's pizza.

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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2014, 02:45:55 PM »
A lot of times people list what they put in their sauces but with no amounts. This is really annoying when you're trying to re-create someone else's pizza.
Yes. this is another aspect of how lacking the forum is on sauce recipes. I know, I know...I'm just as guilty as the next. I think the situation stems from the fact that most of us are/have never even measured our ingredients that go into the sauce....we know what we like, have done it so many times, it's just very easy to eye ball the amounts in the palm of your hand and dump.

Next time I make a puree sauce for my Chi- thins I will measure what goes in and maybe even start a thread for others to add their sauce if they'd like....or maybe there is already a thread....a very lonely thread somewhere?  ;D

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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2014, 03:18:49 PM »
Yes. this is another aspect of how lacking the forum is on sauce recipes. I know, I know...I'm just as guilty as the next. I think the situation stems from the fact that most of us are/have never even measured our ingredients that go into the sauce....we know what we like, have done it so many times, it's just very easy to eye ball the amounts in the palm of your hand and dump.

Next time I make a puree sauce for my Chi- thins I will measure what goes in and maybe even start a thread for others to add their sauce if they'd like....or maybe there is already a thread....a very lonely thread somewhere?  ;D

Bob

Bob,

I've never been able to make a killer sauce.   Feel free to share if you have a few.
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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2014, 07:29:40 AM »
Bob,

I've never been able to make a killer sauce.   Feel free to share if you have a few.

Read thru Garvey's thread and the spice blend/sauce he uses if you haven't already, EXCELLENT!! I also converted it to a bulk recipe to make it readily on hand as mentioned above. He uses tomato paste thinned with water, I like to thin it with tomato juice (Sacramento being my favorite) also great with strained canned tomatoes and such too. Tailor the mix to your tastes! http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,17662.0.html

http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,17662.msg284695.html#msg284695

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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2014, 10:56:37 AM »
Thanks for the pics, I am going to try this place out that looks like my kind of pizza!  Not too far from me.

The line you see in the first pic is caused by the cutting wheel and angle used when cutting.  Typically, a sized template (12", 14", 16" etc) is placed on the skin and a handheld cutting wheel used to cut the skin around the template.  If the wheel is tilted outward ( bottom of the wheel ) while cutting, the dough is slightly stretched.  After the cut the template is lifted and the dough snaps back slightly, this creates the line you see.  I do this all the time.

In regards the the laminate, so many places don't do it, so odds are it's not laminated....

If the crust was crispy all the way through then I do believe it's laminated.  If the crust was chewy it is not laminated and those pockets seen in the pic are just air bubbles.  They do not look continuous like a laminate is.





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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2015, 11:21:07 PM »


The line you see in the first pic is caused by the cutting wheel and angle used when cutting.  Typically, a sized template (12", 14", 16" etc) is placed on the skin and a handheld cutting wheel used to cut the skin around the template.  If the wheel is tilted outward ( bottom of the wheel ) while cutting, the dough is slightly stretched.  After the cut the template is lifted and the dough snaps back slightly, this creates the line you see.  I do this all the time.


I agree, I worked at giordanos once and they used a template to cut the dough perfectly round.  That mark in the pictures is in fact, from the cutting wheel.

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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2015, 08:17:59 AM »
I agree, I worked at giordanos once and they used a template to cut the dough perfectly round.  That mark in the pictures is in fact, from the cutting wheel.

Yep I learned that once I started making a lot of Chicago thin pizzas myself.  Now since you opened up a floodgate with the word G'danos.  Please tell us all you know about their dough.  How are those flaky layers achieved? We've tried everything and cannot duplicate it.  Lamination?  Extra long bake time?  How oily/wet is the dough? The pans are coated with margarine right?

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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2015, 11:10:57 PM »
Yep I learned that once I started making a lot of Chicago thin pizzas myself.  Now since you opened up a floodgate with the word G'danos.  Please tell us all you know about their dough.  How are those flaky layers achieved? We've tried everything and cannot duplicate it.  Lamination?  Extra long bake time?  How oily/wet is the dough? The pans are coated with margarine right?

Nate

I was only a delivery guy and not into making pizza until after, so limited info here.
Scraps from cut offs are tossed back into the pile of dough and naturally it does get re sheeted for the next order. So yes, there is lamination but only inadvertently I think.

The raw dough did leave a oily residue on my fingers, but not excessive. I would not call it wet. But not dry either. Wet enough that flour was not visible on it, but not oozing oil either. It had some body to it though. All in all, I'd say it was moderately oily as far as the spectrum of pizza goes.

They do cook for 35-45 minutes at 475. I called and asked a few different stores saying I need to know for the mail order pizza. So this is confirmed for me.

I personally believe that the pans are coated with  margarine based on color and cost. I think maybe even a butter flavored margarine. When I ate their stuffed pizza the last part for me was the crust and I would love the butter flavor it had. Reminds me of butter flavoring for popcorn. By itself, it does not taste like butter. But actually on the popcorn, it tastes very buttery.  Even actual butter on popcorn does not taste "buttery" in my opinion. So I think they use a butter flavoring of some kind, either butter margarine or butter crisco.  I am favoring margarine though. My mom made cookies once with butter flavored crisco, and man, was it buttery as opposed to actual butter.

An owner of a pizza joint in Orland park, il told me that I will never replicate his pizza at home because my home oven is just not hot enough.  He said that my oven is maxed out and struggles to maintain high heat, while his deck oven is close to 1000 degrees.  Another guy at a Chinese restaurant made me Mongolian beef the exact same way that I did, and his just tasted so much better.  He said the same thing. His giant wok had like 6 rings of fire opposed to my little home stove.

I may make some random calls to some giordanos and see what willing cook is willing to tell me, lol

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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2015, 11:21:57 PM »
Nate, I think the only way to get closer to the answer is to go work at one....this way you can snoop around and figure stuff out....how fun would that be?

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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2015, 11:26:00 PM »
Nate, I think the only way to get closer to the answer is to go work at one....this way you can snoop around and figure stuff out....how fun would that be?

I'd go back in a heartbeat if I lived in Illinois again!  They'd end up firing me as Id be questioning everything day one.  They figure out what I was up to! Lol

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Re: This is lamination right?
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2015, 11:27:51 PM »
Nate, I think the only way to get closer to the answer is to go work at one....this way you can snoop around and figure stuff out....how fun would that be?

  An absolute blast man....until Bossman handed Nate his check on Friday!  :o

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