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FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« on: September 23, 2015, 10:11:11 AM »
Hi all,

since a Long time I'm running with an electric Pizza oven and the results are not bad, but far away from what I want. I'm a Lover of neapolitan pies.
Now I've the space to build my own WFO in an adjoining building of my house, that was rent for Commercial use. It's free now and I don't want to rent it again.

I just have some offers and my favortite is the FGM 950B and I already build a Frame for this dimesions.

Now it just so happens that I can get a disassembled, used FGM 1500 lateral for a fractional amount of that what the new 950B would cost. :-\

I know that this is Wood killing like hell in case of private use and especially on high temps for neapolitan pies. :(

Maybe anybody has an idea, how to modify the oven to less Wood consumption?
Could it be possible to cut at least the larger side to the same Dimension of the smaller side?
I guess the large side is made from a part of the 950 and the smaller side from the 800. Is it possible to cut the refractory and the bricks without damaging everything else? ???

It's my first Topic and just this kind of question, please don't drop me off!




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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2015, 10:36:35 AM »
Can you build an internal wall the effectively make it a smaller internal diameter? If the don't respond here, you might ping members stonecutter or Tscarborough.
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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2015, 10:42:51 AM »
Sorry, do you mean to close the right or left side?


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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2015, 10:54:58 AM »
Maybe on both? Or one?

It was just a thought. I've seen it done to long bread ovens where a portion of the back part of the oven is walled off to make in smaller to work for pizza.
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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2015, 11:05:34 AM »
Just seen, sounds good. Steel walls?

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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2015, 11:32:54 AM »
I would think brick - and pack the empty space with insulation.
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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2015, 12:10:39 PM »
Thanks for your help Craig,
I do not have many time to catch that Chance. I think I should go on.
Even I have lot more wood consumption, the money I save allows me much baking time.

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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2015, 05:34:54 PM »
Increase the insulation under and over, that is your best bet to conserve wood, not alter the oven.

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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2015, 01:06:33 AM »
And certainly not in the back. For optimum convection the oven should be deeper Then it is wide, it should keep it rounded shapes so in effect You would be building a dome in a dome!
I agree that insulation could save You the ammount of wood needed for baking But still it would be overkill for a couple of pizza's. Unless... Do You live in the Schwartswald (Blackforrest)perhaps ; ;).... Or start a bussiness selling pizza and Bread! :chef:

Think About the fact that If You have to buy a lot of  extra,effective/expensive insulation for such a big oven this Will cost You a lot of money. And also What is the condition of the oven? Why can You get it for such a low price? It could be damaged. Hard to tell how it functions If it is disssasambled.
A new oven Will give You more certainty (If You treat it well) and a guaranty with the builder!

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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2015, 06:32:12 AM »
The oven was in use at a training school for bakers and I've seen some good Pictures. I think and hope it will be OK. Tomorrow I go to inspect and buy if all is OK.
I already have two fully packet  euro-pallets of ceramic fiber insulation and enough Monolux 500 plates, thickness 25mm. Good to work at a manufacturer for chemical fiber machines ;D
I'll send some pics, in the case of buying it.
Any suggestions where I have especially to look for? Cracks and..... 

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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2015, 04:27:47 AM »
Reasembling such a big and heavy oven won't be easy. You need a lot of assistance to lift the dome pieces. But I think You should check the edges that fit the pieces togheter so the dome won't be leaking.
Best would be to Reasemble the dome so Your shure it is a thight fit.

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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2015, 11:42:24 AM »
Hi all,
it was a long trip and hard work, but it is done. 1000 km on The Road and about the weight, no necisity to tell.
I think the oven is in a good condition.
Here it is.
Some more will follow.
It would be very helpful to have the assembly instruction. Can anyone help?

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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2015, 03:42:17 PM »
Set the center where you want it, then feather in the sides.  Easy-peasy.

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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2015, 12:28:39 PM »
Are You sure You want to install the bottom parts that raises the oven And enlarge the inner volume?
Less effective for Neapolitan, more mass to heat and larger loss of heat through the raised oven mouth!

THis raised option is for people who want to put large stuff in the oven. I say buy stuf /pans that fits trough the low door and dome.

Did it come with a raised door?


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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2015, 02:01:08 PM »
Sorry for my late answer, I was on buisiness trip the hole day.
That is a good question and I did not thought about it till now.
I read about the raised Version, but that is was. There was no time to check all The Details, without the
danger to miss that Chance.
If I understood right, there is the possibility to assemble it without the bottom parts, but
the hight of the doors are different.
But these parts are the base for the Single bricks?
Here are more some pics.
I am not Sure, if I really got the point! ???

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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2015, 03:14:04 PM »
Am a bit late as usual.

From the pictures this a 1500 B with the raised option. If you are going to do mostly pizza and trying to make it smaller, I would proceed as follow.

Before any assembly, remove the raising components and set them a side.

Assembled the oven floor first, with 4" of insulation under the oven.
Assemble the dome pieces, insulate it very well with 5" of ceramic fiber blanket.

Now take the raising components and stack them inside the oven, on the left or right to pretty much take 1/3 of the oven out. They are 8cm tall and you oven dome is now 24cm tall. You have 4 curb components and 1 straight. You may need to cut them a little but you can stack then 3 high and create a wall inside the oven.
When you need the oven bigger remove them.

The wood consumptive on the 1500 is not going to be that much more compare to the 950 B, maybe 25% more so it is not bad.

If you want to match a 950 B, I think you can do so but will take more cutting into the oven to modify it. PM if it is what you want.

Hope that helps,

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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2015, 04:39:05 PM »
The oven should be optimally balanced for Pizza baking. That will be the main use.
If the wood consumtion is only aprox. 25% higher, it is negligible. I habe some options
to get some money back, such as renting the rooms for private parties.
I got the OK for the installation from my chimney sweeper, yesterday.
But I do not understand, which parts have to be removed,
before assembly. And what about the door, will it match after cutting the arch?
Sorry, I am a bit tired from my trip today and it is late in Germany. :-[

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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2015, 01:03:35 PM »
Thanks for kicking me on the right way! I took a look to it again and then I understood. :-[
I will definetely not install the raising parts.
Thanks again for your help!

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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2015, 09:28:25 PM »
The door is not going to fit, but you can get the standard one for about 200 euros.
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Re: FGM 1500 lateral in private use?
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2015, 02:07:29 PM »
Would you please help again, Antoine?
That is looking strange for me.
The outer door is only 1cm overlapping on The ends of The arch, pic 1 & 2.
The inner door seems to match, pic 3. ???
Can You explain that to me and/or send the dimension of The two different doors?
The raising parts have a hight about 7,5cm. So there is a gap of 6,5cm from the bottom to the door frame. ???

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