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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #80 on: January 18, 2018, 03:14:13 PM »
Incorrect. Initially I was very interested in having a discussion on the subject.

Right up until you learned how much you didn't know...
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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #81 on: January 18, 2018, 03:19:30 PM »
This would be really easy to put to rest. Post links to your research and list the specific problems you see with the models. Pretty simple stuff.
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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #82 on: January 18, 2018, 03:20:10 PM »

There is you trying to BS, your BS getting exposed over and over, and you hiding under your desk rather than face the music. You won't engage not because you "prefer" not to but rather because you simply can't.

What are you talking about? There is no "bs". I prefer to use 20% levain. I don't care for the The Model.  Ive posted this like 20 times. Plain and simple. Don't read anymore into it.

Nice selective editing BTW.
Thanks.
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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #83 on: January 18, 2018, 03:22:06 PM »
What are you talking about? There is no "bs". I prefer to use 20% levain. I don't care for the The Model.  Ive posted this like 20 times. Plain and simple. Don't read anymore into it.

I could care less how you make pizza. The BS is your claims of research and comments made based on those claims, and you have made some very specific charges against the models which you have repeatedly refused to back up in any way whatsoever.
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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #84 on: January 18, 2018, 03:23:04 PM »
Right up until you learned how much you didn't know...
Ok if you say so.
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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #85 on: January 18, 2018, 03:24:10 PM »
....you have made some very specific charges against the models which you have repeatedly refused to back up in any way whatsoever.

What does it matter what I think anyhow?
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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #86 on: January 18, 2018, 03:25:28 PM »
BTW we are up to 5+ pages and 85 posts 1200+ views.
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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #87 on: January 18, 2018, 03:26:18 PM »
Im wasting so much time here. I gotta go.
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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #88 on: January 18, 2018, 03:29:15 PM »
Im wasting so much time here. I gotta go.

Yes, the underside of your desk is calling.
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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #89 on: January 18, 2018, 06:26:11 PM »
Can someone, anyone, clue me in here very quick....what are "The Models"?  ???
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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #90 on: January 18, 2018, 06:29:27 PM »
Can someone, anyone, clue me in here very quick....what are "The Models"?  ???

DS is referring to Craig's SD starter, time, temperature predictive model when he writes "the Model".
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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #91 on: January 18, 2018, 06:32:10 PM »
Wow, I go to sleep for 7 hours and I wake up to 2 pages of practically nothing. I wonder if there is a way I could write a predictive model for that?

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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #92 on: January 18, 2018, 06:36:37 PM »
Wow, I go to sleep for 7 hours and I wake up to 2 pages of practically nothing. I wonder if there is a way I could write a predictive model for that?

Godwin's Law covers it.

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What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #93 on: January 18, 2018, 06:37:51 PM »
Godwin's Law covers it.
Ah, of course! I should’ve thought of that.

Maybe I need more sleep :D

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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #94 on: January 18, 2018, 06:49:43 PM »
Ah, of course! I should’ve thought of that.

Maybe I need more sleep :D

Should we ask Bill for a citation?
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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #95 on: January 18, 2018, 06:51:16 PM »
DS is referring to Craig's SD starter, time, temperature predictive model when he writes "the Model".

Ah!

Thank you, Sir.

Gonna get me some popcorn now.
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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #96 on: January 18, 2018, 06:59:29 PM »
Should we ask Bill for a citation?

Actually, I'll cite Steve's Rules of Conduct for this forum. Whether or not there are violations in this thread of the letter of the rules, the spirit is starting to take a beating. This is an interesting topic, but with a lot of controversy because there are some many things going in starter cultures that can't be observed directly and are also exceedingly difficult to observe indirectly with solid results that apply to other members. 

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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #97 on: January 18, 2018, 07:27:26 PM »
Whether or not there are violations in this thread of the letter of the rules, the spirit is starting to take a beating.

Better that than the truth.
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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #98 on: January 18, 2018, 08:38:07 PM »
I will say this. Regarding Craig's tables, models, I'm pretty sure he has said many times since it was first posted that it is a "starting point" then adapt to individual environmental differences, flours, starters, yeasts,  techniques........starting point, gets you a head start.  Pretty simple, needs really no overthinking, my 2c.
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Re: What effect does % of starter have?
« Reply #99 on: February 05, 2018, 07:24:24 PM »
Has anyone here experienced a less-crispy pizza using starter?

I made a batch with 5% starter and followed the fermentation timeline. Dough balls were a little flat but fermentation appeared complete - airy, somewhat elastic and not slack...baked, and rim of crust got good color but the bottom/undercrust was pale in comparison! I was surprised to see the nice browning and even some charring on the rim but none of those characteristics in the undercrust.

It only happens when using starter - any idea why this might be?

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