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Title: FGM 1030C!
Post by: derricktung on May 01, 2013, 08:45:06 AM
And here we go!  My FGM 1030C arrived yesterday!  (After a debacle of it arriving last Thursday, and the driver/deliverer realized that his liftgate wasn't large enough to unload the oven and promptly drove away with my toy!)

Here's some pics of the unpacking and setting up for the initial low heat dry cure (250 watt halogen lamp). 

Even though the main part of the oven comes in 5 pieces (2 floor pieces, 3 dome pieces), it was still fairly heavy to move...  As a crossfitter who can deadlift 300+ lbs, I figured this wouldn't too much of an issue, but some of it was more the awkwardness of the dome pieces and just being very careful not to drop anything.  (The wife helped, and I'm glad she's been doing some strength training, but this will be far easier when my partners arrive to help move this I think.  And perhaps a 2x4 to help raise the pieces up appropriately to the trailer).

It took about 1 hr between my wife and I to get the floor and one piece of the dome in place, and then another 20 minutes to get the last two pieces of the dome in place so that I could set up the halogen lamp...

The trailer is supposed to be ready for pick up on the 21st, so I'll update with more build pictures after that!  I'm excited and can't wait!  Antoine has been super helpful through the process thus far, and looking forward to more of his advice as we move along in building!


Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: csafranek on May 01, 2013, 09:01:14 AM
Awesome! Very excited to follow your journey!
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 01, 2013, 09:08:56 AM
Congratulations to the proud new papa.
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: Jackie Tran on May 01, 2013, 10:09:03 AM
Yes congrats!  These FGM ovens are the latest rage here.  I want one!  ;D
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: Serpentelli on May 01, 2013, 10:09:20 AM
Derrick,

You are going to love having a WFO, especially one that nice!

Careful you don't drop one of the oven pieces on your foot, wearing those sandals! You're a brave man!

Best of luck!

John K
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: mkevenson on May 01, 2013, 11:19:53 AM
Nice looking oven! I did a google search, and one here but no info. Anyone have a web site?
 
Mark
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: csafranek on May 01, 2013, 11:21:37 AM
Nice looking oven! I did a google search, and one here but no info. Anyone have a web site?
 
Mark

http://www.breadstoneovens.com/pages/wood-fired-oven-trailer (http://www.breadstoneovens.com/pages/wood-fired-oven-trailer)
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: derricktung on May 01, 2013, 03:46:19 PM
Thanks all!  I can't wait to take it for a test run.. shame it won't be for another 24 days or so! 

Here's the link to 1030C specifically:  http://www.breadstoneovens.com/collections/frontpage/products/oven-1030-c (http://www.breadstoneovens.com/collections/frontpage/products/oven-1030-c)

@John: I nearly set down a piece on my foot while moving the pieces around actually... But hey, I don't need my toes to make great pie right?  ;)
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 01, 2013, 07:30:59 PM
Yes congrats!  These FGM ovens are the latest rage here.  I want one!  ;D


 ???
Do Not build or install a wfo.  That is the biggest waste of money ever!
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: Jackie Tran on May 01, 2013, 11:21:26 PM
Craig, that was a bit of a tongue in cheek comment.  And I just sold my house so I'm losing my wfo. The oven itself wasn't a waste of money.   It was more the outdoor kitchen and backyard that I lost a bunch of money on.  When I settle into a more permanent residence, I'm sure I'll need another wfo.  ;D
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 03, 2013, 08:17:18 AM
Craig, that was a bit of a tongue in cheek comment.  And I just sold my house so I'm losing my wfo. The oven itself wasn't a waste of money.   It was more the outdoor kitchen and backyard that I lost a bunch of money on.  When I settle into a more permanent residence, I'm sure I'll need another wfo.  ;D

If I could go back in time and not do all the things I've wasted money on (and really should have known better at the time), I wouldn't have much BESIDES my WFO.  :-D
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: fornographer on May 03, 2013, 08:30:27 AM
Congratulations Derrick.  I would love to see detailed pictures of your build.  Are you going to use an engine hoist to mount the oven to the trailer?
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: derricktung on May 03, 2013, 04:33:06 PM
Congratulations Derrick.  I would love to see detailed pictures of your build.  Are you going to use an engine hoist to mount the oven to the trailer?

Not unless I have to!   ;D  The pieces are more unwieldy than heavy, and with two men, I think we can get them in place fairly easily.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed to see... but will definitely update with more pics as I build this out!
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: fornographer on May 03, 2013, 08:56:28 PM
Craig, that was a bit of a tongue in cheek comment.  And I just sold my house so I'm losing my wfo. The oven itself wasn't a waste of money.   It was more the outdoor kitchen and backyard that I lost a bunch of money on.  When I settle into a more permanent residence, I'm sure I'll need another wfo.  ;D

Hi Chau. Which oven would you consider getting next? Will you be considering mounting it on a trailer?
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: Jackie Tran on May 03, 2013, 10:10:57 PM
I would consider getting it on a trailer or in a food truck.  If not it would definitely be mobile though in case I have to move again.  I would splurge and get a SF or something of that calibre.  A FGM wouldn't be out of the question though.
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: Chicago Bob on May 03, 2013, 10:46:31 PM
I would consider getting it on a trailer or in a food truck.  If not it would definitely be mobile though in case I have to move again.  I would splurge and get a SF or something of that calibre.  A FGM wouldn't be out of the question though.
Do SF ovens travel well?
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: derricktung on May 04, 2013, 07:29:30 AM
Do SF ovens travel well?

The Del Popolo oven is mobile and an SF... I think that may be the only SF mobile one currently.  Though the SF website advertises a mobile oven, and it looks like it's a cast oven.  The page seems to be down, but here's an image of it from their website thanks to image searches...
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: bjshaver on May 04, 2013, 09:23:04 PM
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If not it would definitely be mobile though in case I have to move again.

Chau,

Where are you headed?...I know that the CRNA occupation can lend itself to a transient lifestyle...looked like you were well set-up in your "former" location.   
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: landras on May 08, 2013, 03:42:41 PM
congrats!!!
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: derricktung on May 22, 2013, 09:43:47 AM
A quick update and a question for folks...

Picked up my trailer yesterday, and the process was fairly smooth with a few hiccups here and there but nothing too significant to be concerned with.

Mounted the oven, wrapped it in insulation, wrapped on foil (I really need to get a staple gun to make the foil stick better... used a regular stapler, and it just came off a lot...)

Any one have advice on working with wire mesh?  The product I'm using is really resistant to anything short of a 90 degree bend, and I'm having trouble wrapping this around oven.  Do people use thinner gauge wire (chicken wire) with bigger holes typically? 

Going to give it another go when I get home today... hopefully this fiberglass in my forearms will stop itching soon...
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: Tscarborough on May 22, 2013, 10:19:55 AM
Are you using expanded metal lath?  If so, run it horizontally around the base, then make vertical cuts every foot or so and you can then fold and lap the wire.  You can weave tie wire into the mesh to hold it snug.

Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: derricktung on May 22, 2013, 10:38:24 AM
Ahhh, interesting... so you just wrap the base, and then use smaller pieces to cover the top.  Think I can just bend paper clips to keep them together?  ;)

Thanks for the pic!  This will help a lot in strategizing how to do this in a couple hours...
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: Tscarborough on May 22, 2013, 12:44:32 PM
There are only 3 separate pieces of lath on there.  Twist ties, string, anything will work, it just needs to hold it long enough to get the mud on it.
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: z-man on May 24, 2013, 12:02:59 AM
A quick update and a question for folks...

Picked up my trailer yesterday, and the process was fairly smooth with a few hiccups here and there but nothing too significant to be concerned with.

Mounted the oven, wrapped it in insulation, wrapped on foil (I really need to get a staple gun to make the foil stick better... used a regular stapler, and it just came off a lot...)

Any one have advice on working with wire mesh?  The product I'm using is really resistant to anything short of a 90 degree bend, and I'm having trouble wrapping this around oven.  Do people use thinner gauge wire (chicken wire) with bigger holes typically? 

Going to give it another go when I get home today... hopefully this fiberglass in my forearms will stop itching soon...

Thanks that last part made me lol ahhh I hear ya brotha finally finishing my build what we do for pizza :P
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: derricktung on May 24, 2013, 07:07:15 AM
Been a bit MIA lately due to the craze of oven building, work, and celebrating my wife's bday (in which she celebrated by staying up until 4 AM helping with stucco...  :P)

A few pics of where we're at now:

Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: landras on May 24, 2013, 10:45:07 AM
Looking good!
You are lucky, if I have to work on something like that until 4 AM my wife will bot even go to the garage and ask if I want cafe!  >:(
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: csafranek on May 24, 2013, 10:48:17 AM
Looking great!
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: kevinbrown22 on May 24, 2013, 11:46:16 AM
Looks great so far.
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: Serpentelli on May 24, 2013, 10:47:42 PM
Nothing on the garage walls!

Ha!

Just wait.

John K
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: derricktung on May 26, 2013, 06:44:52 AM
Alright ladies and gents of the forum... I'm turning to all of you for advice/help again...

I fired it up last night for my first run of 10 pizzas. No pics, because the pizzas got eaten waaaaay to fast!  =(  (I'll remedy that today with our session of 30 pies...)  My wife did snap one shot of the 2nd to last pizza in the oven, which is below...


I fired my oven for almost 2 hours, and wasn't able to get the floor up to 800 degrees... the highest I ever hit was 650 on the floor close to the fire, and 850 on the dome.  Anything farther away from the embers was registering about 450ish...  I had four logs going at the same time in the back corner, but couldn't seem to push the temp any higher.

A few things that might be an issue:

1.  My chimney hasn't been delivered yet, so I'm likely not getting as much venturi effect as I'd like.
2.  I still don't really know what I'm doing to pull in at a higher temp. 

Any advice on what to do to push the temperature more?  I'd like to hit at LEAST 800 on the floor with 1000 on top, preferably higher if possible...  Should I not push the wood back in the corner until later?  Do I need more wood?  Help?
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: Serpentelli on May 26, 2013, 07:35:24 AM
That bad boy's gonna need 3 hours minimum of a good hearty fire to even begin to saturate. Wood is cheap. I make my initial fire a raging inferno.

Then, try cutting some small pieces of wood, or get sawdust, or anything that you can throw on the embers that causes a flame to almost immediately start to roll across 1/2 to 2/3 of the dome. Then you'll be happy.

But you may be right about the chimney.

Good Luck!

John K

Question:    Did the dome of your oven clear (black soot burned completely off) in 2 hours? That would be really quick. That's pretty much the sign my oven's ready. I actually don't even measure initial floor temp much anymore!
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: derricktung on May 26, 2013, 08:05:58 AM

Question:    Did the dome of your oven clear (black soot burned completely off) in 2 hours? That would be really quick. That's pretty much the sign my oven's ready. I actually don't even measure initial floor temp much anymore!

John,

The oven soot started to go white at the end of an hour.  Per Antoine, I'm supposed to be able to hit temps within an hour?  (per his website as well: http://www.breadstoneovens.com/collections/frontpage/products/oven-1030-c (http://www.breadstoneovens.com/collections/frontpage/products/oven-1030-c))

Perhaps I was too stingy with the wood from the start?  I definitely didn't have a raging inferno, and could easily fit in another four stack or so...

I'll try again tonight with more firewood to start and see how it does.  In good news, it retains heat well (350 this morning) but we'll see what it's at at 4:00 when I start refiring.
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: Serpentelli on May 26, 2013, 09:21:02 AM
John,

The oven soot started to go white at the end of an hour.  Per Antoine, I'm supposed to be able to hit temps within an hour?  (per his website as well: http://www.breadstoneovens.com/collections/frontpage/products/oven-1030-c (http://www.breadstoneovens.com/collections/frontpage/products/oven-1030-c))

Perhaps I was too stingy with the wood from the start?  I definitely didn't have a raging inferno, and could easily fit in another four stack or so...

I'll try again tonight with more firewood to start and see how it does.  In good news, it retains heat well (350 this morning) but we'll see what it's at at 4:00 when I start refiring.

I see where it says firing time 1 hour.

Someone also told me once that it takes 4 hours to drive from Wilmington NC to Atlanta.  :)

Use so much wood at first that you think you're going to melt the concrete. And plan on 3 hours fire up time. Use this time to get your pizza face on. Once you see how hot you are able to get that baby, then you can dial it back to your preferences. It was like an epiphany for me when I got my oven hot enough for the first time.

BTW I am assuming your oven is fully cured. If not, ignore everything I just said. You'll crack your dome!

Good luck!

John K
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: jeff v on May 26, 2013, 10:10:10 AM
Agree on the large fire to start. Is your wood very dry?  I've gotten my oven (1030c also) to 800 plus in a 90 min but find the norm about 2 hrs. If its cold or windy etc a bit longer.
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: derricktung on May 26, 2013, 10:38:26 AM
So I did cure it, but likely a bit faster than I'd like... here was the schedule:

Day 1: 200 degrees.
Day 2: 350 degrees.
Day 3 (yesterday):  650 floor, 850 ceiling.
Day 4:  (Today):  will be going all out and blasting it.

Before I even did the 200 degree cure, I halogen lamped 8 hours a day for a week.  (About 150 degrees). 

Think the moisture is driven out yet?

Alright... I'm going to pack that baby full of wood tonight and see what happens...
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: derricktung on May 27, 2013, 08:31:19 AM
Alright, so I got the oven temps right this time around...

Oven started at 240 when I began firing at 3:30 PM.

Loaded it with the "Top down" fire theory, with two super dried logs from the night before on the bottom, smaller logs on top, kindling, newspaper, Weber starter cube, etc.  The pile lit pretty much immediately.  Three big logs on the bottom, two medium logs on top, and newspaper throughout.

By 5:00, the oven was running 800+ on the floor close to the fire and I was unable to get reading on the ceiling (my gun only goes to 1022).

Threw in one log around 8:30 PM just for good measure to keep the temp up, but otherwise, most people were done eating.  We got one picture off last night, but the rest were eaten too fast by neighbors, backers of the project, and volunteers.

I'm going to put on the final finish stucco layer this morning (and the veneer stones) so I'll check the morning temp

Early pizzas were easily 90 seconds a bake, while later in the evening, closer to 2 minutes...  the dough was an emergency dough (too many pizza parties this weekend to do a multi day ferment), so I'm looking forward to seeing how the browning improves when we take our time to ferment the dough instead.

Still need some work on getting great roundness, partially because when I stick 20 doughs in the dough box, they all eventually merge together and they come out a bit square...  am I overcrowding the box?  Dough are between 7.4 and 7.7 oz...
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: derricktung on May 27, 2013, 04:32:17 PM
And here's what I've been doing for the last 8.5 hours... time for a break... 
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: Chicago Bob on May 27, 2013, 09:19:18 PM
Derrick, cut a hole in the middle of a cheap Harbor Freight tarp and slip in over your dome to protect that beautiful trailer!  :)
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: derricktung on May 27, 2013, 09:35:46 PM
Derrick, cut a hole in the middle of a cheap Harbor Freight tarp and slip in over your dome to protect that beautiful trailer!  :)

Doh!  Wish I got the advice earlier... I'm already done with my stucco work!  =)
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: Chicago Bob on May 27, 2013, 09:49:40 PM
Doh!  Wish I got the advice earlier... I'm already done with my stucco work!  =)
Sorry man...I can only call 'em as I see 'em!  :-D

Looks like you were pretty neat though...5x's better than I'd probably rush through an end up with. :)
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: Tscarborough on May 27, 2013, 11:44:59 PM
Look for a product called Speedy Clean.  It will remove the cementious material and not hurt the paint.
Title: Re: FGM 1030C!
Post by: derricktung on July 08, 2013, 07:31:59 AM
Just as an update, I did a lot of research and ended up using a diluted concentration of muriatic acid to clean the trailer.  At the Menards where I shop, the product is called Sunny Green.  You can find it in the paint section.  You can also find the acid at pool stores, as the acid is used to lower the pH in pools.

Make sure you dilute it, as you want to weaken the strength to give it time to work as well as to prevent damage to the trailer.  Also, the acid will eat at cement, so if/when you drip onto your garage floor or driveway, be sure to wash it off with the hose.

Thanks for the tip on Speedy Clean!