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Offline Arne_Jervell

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Re: Neapolitan with sourdough in Norway
« Reply #200 on: September 18, 2021, 10:23:20 AM »
Nice to see you posting again! Really nice colors I think especially the cornicione on the margherita.

BTW: the acidity level of an SD-dough depends on many things but certainly on the culture. If you prefer low acidity SD dough, and if you live in the Oslo area, give me a PM and we can arrange for you to have some of my Salvatore.

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« Reply #201 on: September 18, 2021, 11:49:50 AM »
Absolutely depends on the culture, and I think mine is on the more acidic side. I currently got a rye starter that lives in RT. I have been thinking about going stiffer, maybe to a lievito madre, which supposedly reduce acidity. Some even say stiffer starters have a bit more power.

I love a lot about SD, but I would like reducing the acidity.

I get better coloration with IDY than SD for some reason.
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Re: Neapolitan with sourdough in Norway
« Reply #202 on: September 18, 2021, 12:26:02 PM »
FWIW, a stiff sourdough starter is quite a lot more work than the normal liquid one..
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Re: Neapolitan with sourdough in Norway
« Reply #203 on: September 18, 2021, 01:14:12 PM »
FWIW, a stiff sourdough starter is quite a lot more work than the normal liquid one..
It can be at least, but there are different ways to maintain a stiff starter and I donít think all are as much work as what some do with LM, where thereís the water method or wrapping. Many maintain it like a liquid starter by discarding and feeding.
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Re: Neapolitan with sourdough in Norway
« Reply #204 on: September 26, 2021, 10:48:14 AM »
Another round of IDY. Same amount as last time, but much more avtivity this time. No need to take them out to RT and they were around 2x after 24 hours at 15C. I activated the IDY in 38C water before mixing everything this time, which could explain part of the difference. I also used IDY from a fresh pack, while the previous was an opened one from the fridge (rolled together with a rubber band around).

I balled at 15/24 hours, which worked fine. The dough had risen some, which made the task a bit more challenging with the seam, but on wood the bottom always comes out very even when itís time to bake. I found the bottoms a bit too dry perhaps. I have thought about finding some other fermentation canister where they get more sidewall support and can be extracted with a pizza dough tool.

I donít care about being careful with the rim these days. It does get more dough than the middle, but less than before. I have also reduced the TF from 0.080 to 0.075, balls from 254g to 235g. Also happy with this change.

All in all pretty happy with the results.

62% HR, 0.18% IDY, 0.075 TF.
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Re: Neapolitan with sourdough in Norway
« Reply #205 on: Today at 05:33:16 PM »
Had some interesting results on Friday.

Dough was very typical (62% HR, Caputo pizzeria), but with about 20% more yeast (IDY) to compensate for making the dough later than usual. I just upped it from 0.18% to 0.22% without considering that itís a pretty big change.

At balling, it had fermented a lot. Iíd probably say at least 2x increase. This made the balling a bit more difficult, but not too bad. I was more concerned about having 7 (out of 20) hours left before baking.

This concern didnít pan out and they were quite alright at opening. Pretty airy, but very nice characteristics with some elasticity, but not needing much work to open.

After bake, I thought they felt softer and less chewy than before. I had a thought about slightly better cooked too, but didnít dissect anything. It wasnít all to surprising, as it fits my idea that a softer dough at opening and/or more fermented can lead to a softer result. I want to do more testing on rate of fermentation and time of balling.

After feeling the pies lacked something for some time, I thought these were very nice. The white topping was a result of cleaning out various packs of ham in the fridge.

On the last pie I tried not turning it. It wasnít too bad, still a bit uneven and could have stayed in there a few seconds longer.

I tried launching earlier during the on-cycle of the upper element since Iíve been getting bottoms Jackís wife would not approve of. When measuring the temperature right before the upper element kicked in, I got 460-470C, which is where many want their stone when launching. I have let the upper element heat it up 3-4 minutes before launching. The old way was pretty much a copy of Jackís method, and maybe someone else with the same oven. But I realize that we donít have identical ovens, so I needed to do some adjusting. The pies baked a little bit slower perhaps, but nothing to complain about. The bottoms turned out much better this time. I probably launched around two minutes after the upper element turned on and stone was around 470-480 where I measured.

My starter is very lively nowadays, so I should get around to make some SD pies soon.
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