• #201 by pythonic on 16 Jul 2013
  • Hi, this is my first post (well, ok, second if you include the intro!) and wondered what you thought about this crust. It has butter and is touted a "pastry" type so I thought I would throw it out:

    Hi Cindy,

    I actually tried this pie out about a year ago and it was different but good.  I may have to revisit this.


  • #202 by Jdurg on 27 Aug 2013
  • The first, and sadly ONLY, true Chicago Deep-Dish Pizza I ever had was during a business trip out to Chicago a few years ago.  I was DEAD tired after having just arrived a few hours earlier from a previous meeting in London, England, but knew that this would likely be the only night I'd get a chance to try out a Chicago Pizza as the next two days were filled with meetings.  So, dead tired, I asked the concierge at the hotel (can't remember the name of the hotel, but it was in the heart of the city) about the closest place for a true Chicago Pizza.  I was hoping that a Lou Malnati's was nearby as I had spent countless number of dollars on their frozen pizzas shipped to me.  (Living in CT, I can get every type of pizza out there except Chicago Deep-Dish.  What the pizzerias around here purport as "Deep-Dish" is actually just a pan pizza with an incredibly thick crust and NOT true Chicago Pizza.  So the only way I could get any type of real Deep-Dish was to order the pizza online and have it shipped to me.  It's just that doing so is VERY expensive and leaves me with a lot of shipping material to get rid of.  I desperately wanted a local place to make this pizza, but none do).

    The concierge said that the only good place I could go within walking distance was Giordano's.  So I prepped myself for the long walk and made the trek out there.  I remember quite a line to get in, and having my order taken at the door while waiting to be seated.  I went and got the standard cheese stuffed pizza and was in heaven.  Reading through the forums here, I can't wait to try this again.

    A few weeks back, I used a recipe from America's Test Kitchen for a Lou Malnati's type dough, and while it came out INCREDIBLE, it was a bit of work with all the laminating with butter and whatnot.  So trying a more "simple" recipe is definitely good.  I have a ball of dough for use in the 9" Malnati's metal pan, I had bought from them a while back, that is rising in the fridge.  Made it this afternoon and will use it tomorrow.  Got plenty of great parmesan cheese, mozzarella cheese, and italian sausage that I'll use on this.  (Can't recall the brands right now).  Also have two 12" x 2" deep dish, straight walled steel pans that I got from AMCO on their way to me tomorrow.  Going to have fun seasoning them and using them frequently.  :D
  • #203 by Chicago Bob on 27 Aug 2013
  • Hi, this is my first post (well, ok, second if you include the intro!) and wondered what you thought about this crust. It has butter and is touted a "pastry" type so I thought I would throw it out:
    For all the cold butter they use in that crust it is not very layered looking. Almost appears to be wanting to turn into a big gum pie...needs more heat maybe.
  • #204 by Jdurg on 28 Aug 2013
  • So today I got a chance to test out the dough I had going overnight.  The recipe I used was the following:

    Stop & Shop Brand All Purpose Unbleached Flour:  250.3 g
    Warm Water:  152.2 g
    Corn Oil: 54.1 g
    Active Dry Yeast:  1.9 g
    Fine Salt:  1.4 g
    Sugar:  1 g

    I mixed the water, yeast, sugar, salt, and oil in the mixing bowl and let it activate.  Once I saw it was bubbling, I went and added about half a cup of flour and mixed it until it was like a pancake batter.  Once mixed, I added the rest of the flour and mixed it by hand until it was just coming together.  At this point, I put my hands in there and kneaded it for only a few moments (probably about 90 seconds or so) until it wound up forming a cohesive ball.  At this point, I put it into an oiled bowl, covered it in plastic wrap, and let it ferment in the refrigerator overnight. 

    Today, I went and pulled out the dough from the fridge, punched it down and let it come to room temperature while the oven and pizza stone heated up to 425 degrees for an hour.  When the dough was at room temp, I rolled it out on a VERY lightly floured countertop with a rolling pin.  It rolled out BEAUTIFULLY and almost seemed more like pastry dough or pasta than it did pizza dough.  I used about 2/3rds of the dough for the base.  The recipe I got from a website online ( was designed for a 12" pan.  My 12" pans I ordered online hadn't arrived yet, so I used the 9" Lou Malnati's pan I had, therefore it gave me enough dough for the top.  I buttered up the Malnati's pan to ensure the dough wouldn't stick, and laid out the circular dough sheet I had into the pan with the ends drooping over the edges of the pan.  I then went and pressed the dough down firmly to the pan.  Inside there I added slices of Sorrento Part Skim Mozzarella Cheese, a layer of Johnsonville Mild Italian Sausage, and another layer of cheese slices.  I then rolled out the rest of the dough and laid it on top of the pizza pressing the edges together and trimming off excess.  Opened up some holes in the top layer, then ladled on the sauce to cover.

    The sauce was made from a 28 ounce can of drained, whole San Marzano tomatoes that did not have citric acid or other preservatives in there, a teaspoon of a salt, two medium cloves of minced garlic, about five large leaves of fresh basil finely chopped, a teaspoon of onion power, a few drops of concentrated balsamic vinegar, a tablespoon of olive oil, and a bit of black pepper.  I then mushed up the tomatoes and let the sauce rest and meld for about twenty minutes.  I didn't measure how much sauce I put on there, but it was just enough to cover the top and there is still about a cup of sauce left in the bowl.

    The pizza went into the oven on the hot pizza stone and baked for 35 minutes.  The result when it came out is the image below.  It was INCREDIBLY flakey and buttery, and the entire thing was cooked awesomely.  (If that's even a word).

    My apologies for this experiment not being as scientific as most posts on here, but it was the first time I cooked a stuffed pizza like this and I am incredibly proud of how it came out.  My roommate gave it a try and said "Thanks Justin.  Now that you can cook pizza like this my girlfriend will dump me because I'm going to wind up fat as a whale.  Are there more slices left?"   :-D

    I think it means I did good.  :p

  • #205 by Hacy on 19 Nov 2013
  • Wolfgang, can I ask what is 6 in 1 tomatoes, grew up in Chicago, LOVE all of all the PIZZAS, always thought STEWED TOMATOES were used in the DEEP DISH PIZZAS, that is what they taste like, I'm baffeled.
  • #206 by Garvey on 22 Nov 2013
  • Hacy:

    6in1 is a brand name of a tomato product that is used in many, many Chicago  deep dish joints.  See

    Definitely not stewed.  Deep dish and stuffed pizza have a sauce that is fairly "bright."

  • #207 by Chicago Rules!!! on 22 Sep 2015
  • Been awhile since I've been on here. How are everybody's pies making out?
  • #208 by pythonic on 22 Sep 2015
  • Welcome back.  Check out pizzagarage's laminated stuffed crust thread for the latest Giordano's crust.
  • #209 by buzz on 29 Feb 2016
  • Hi Everyone.
    I'm new to the forum but have been a very big fan of Giordano's Pizza for a long time.  I've made my share of pizza's that claim to be "similar" to Giordano's and none really "cracked the code" as it were.  Some were similar, some were way off.  You can imagine how interested I was when I ran accross this website and this recipe specifically.

    Well I tried the Buzz recipe but I don't believe the code has been cracked. Buzz, hats off to you for the elusive secret regarding short knead times for the biscuit like crust.  That particular aspect has always plagued my efforts. 

    I followed the recipe precisely with precise measurements.  I actually followed the recipe using two techniques (First exactly as Buzz describes and second mixing the flour, yeast and oil together first). 

    I'm not saying I can do better than this recipe, I'm simply offering up taste observations that I know are absolutely accurate in comparison to Giordano's crust.

    Observation 1 - Not enough dough.  You need enough dough for top and bottom layer for at least a 9 or 10" pie.  The recipe has to be modified to include at least 3 cups of flour and other ingredients.  The essence of Giordano's is a top and bottom layer.

    Observation 2. The crust was absolutely too oily without a doubt.  In fact, while assembling the pizza, the dough was too heavy and oily to even hug the sides of the pan and stay up.  Either the Buzz recipe of 3.5 TBS oil per 1.5 C flour is way too much oil or Buzz is really compressing the flour when digging it out from the flour bag and not quite experiencing what I did.  Either way, the ratio of oil to flour is way too high and you can taste the oil in the crust. You can even see the color of the oil in the crust. 
    Recommendation: 1 TBS Oil per Cup of flour.

    Observation 3. The crust is too salty. When tasting Giordano's crust, you cannot close your eyes and pick out the salt flavor in the crust as you can in this recipe. 
    Recommendation: 1/2 tsp salt per 2 cups of flour.

    Observation 4: Need a bit more sugar in the crust. Giordano's crust is very un-Pizza-like. With that said, the recipe needs more sugar to begin balancing that fine line between pizza crust and pastry goodness.
    Recommendation: 1 Tablespoon of sugar per 2 cups of flour.

    Observation 5: When tasting the crust, you can taste the yeast. In fact you can burp up the yeast flavor 20 minutes later. (sorry but I'm trying to be a little funny here). Giordano's has absolutely NO yeast flavor whatsoever. I've often wondered if I should try to make their crust with baking soda or powder. Never tried that, but I can tell you that there is no yeast flavor to be found in a Giordano's crust.
    Recommendation:  Assuming that Giordano's does use yeast I would recommend that you use 1/2 tsp yeast per 2 cups of flour. Don't forget, the Giordano's crust isn't all that fluffy and chewy anyway. So there is not much of a need to fluff it up and ferment it with the taste of yeast and have the pastry like taste of the crust be spoiled.

    I think that's about it.  My next try will probably use approximately the following:

    3.5 to 4 Cups flour
    1 tsp yeast
    1 tsp salt
    2 TBS Sugar
    1 Cup water
    6 TBS canola oil

    As others have mentioned, you want to mix the flour, oil and yeast together to give you the flakiness.
    Add the oil afterwards and knead for 2-4 minutes until you are happy with the consistency.
    Don't forget to grease the pan liberally with margarine.

    I'll let you know how it goes.   Thanks again to Buzz for getting this closer than so many other recipes out there on the internet.

    Hi, all--

    I haven't been posting for quite a while because I've been staying away from pizza!!!!! But I happened to stumble onto this, so I thought I'd reply. As for the saltiness--the use of Kosher salt is specified, which is not as salty as table salt, so if you use that much table salt, then yes, it would be too salty (you'd need @ 25% less). As for the top dough layer--I've stated elsewhere that I don't use it because to me it adds nothing.

    I just decided to make a deep dish experiment, so instead of my usual 3 Tablespoons oil to one cup flour ratio, I substituted half cold Crisco (fully hydrogenated)--mixed 1 minute, kneaded 1.5 minutes (all in the bread machine). The result, I thought, was not only a very malleable dough, but a very good crust. When I get the time I'll try some more experiments!