My wife wanted to surprise me with some bagels from back home as the ones out here are just hamburger buns with a hole in the middle. They arrived today. She spent $100 on them. They are worse than anything out here which is hard to believe!! Crumbly white bread with no malt flavor, no malt sheen from boiling and baked on racks of some sort (could tell by bottom of bagel). just wanted to let others know about this. What a scam.