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Zio Ciro Nano
« on: November 26, 2021, 08:56:20 AM »
Just saw a new oven by Zio Ciro:

Looks promising and will definitely be a good competition to ooni, gozney, carbon and others in this class.

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Re: Zio Ciro Nano
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2021, 11:29:44 AM »
Looks like an updated pizza party adore.  Donít think itís available in the US yet.

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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2021, 12:04:05 PM »
Looks like an updated pizza party adore.  Donít think itís available in the US yet.

No, not listed on the website.

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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2021, 12:14:20 PM »
This will be a great oven I believe. Thereís some of their refractory cement built in the middle for better heat retention. Thatís quite innovative. The videos show a good bake too in 1.15-1.45 min. Donít need a biscotto since they already have a good floor. Might be quite portable as well.
Wonder if the price is less than the mini? Probably around 800-1000$?

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Re: Zio Ciro Nano
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2021, 12:31:06 PM »
This will be a great oven I believe. Thereís some of their refractory cement built in the middle for better heat retention. Thatís quite innovative. The videos show a good bake too in 1.15-1.45 min. Donít need a biscotto since they already have a good floor. Might be quite portable as well.
Wonder if the price is less than the mini? Probably around 800-1000$?

I saw the post on Instagram listing it for Ä499. Itíll probably be around 749 in the US if I was to guess or may be a bit lessÖ

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Re: Zio Ciro Nano
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2021, 01:56:59 PM »
Shipping from Florida may bring up the price a bit. Looks good though!

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Re: Zio Ciro Nano
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2021, 03:46:38 PM »
I talked to the Zio Ciro folks in FL.  They are not planning on carrying it.  He stated the following reason (I'm sort of paraphrasing here):
1) Designed for Italian Specs..
2) To heavy to ship UPS or Fedex, so you would need something with lift gate service, so you looking somewhere between $200 to $400 to ship, which may be kind of excessive on a $400-$500 oven.

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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2021, 04:04:52 PM »
I talked to the Zio Ciro folks in FL.  They are not planning on carrying it.  He stated the following reason (I'm sort of paraphrasing here):
1) Designed for Italian Specs..
2) To heavy to ship UPS or Fedex, so you would need something with lift gate service, so you looking somewhere between $200 to $400 to ship, which may be kind of excessive on a $400-$500 oven.
What a bummer 

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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2021, 09:35:58 PM »
I talked to the Zio Ciro folks in FL.  They are not planning on carrying it.  He stated the following reason (I'm sort of paraphrasing here):
1) Designed for Italian Specs..
2) To heavy to ship UPS or Fedex, so you would need something with lift gate service, so you looking somewhere between $200 to $400 to ship, which may be kind of excessive on a $400-$500 oven.

Thatís weird. In the video Vito picks it up and moves with no problemsÖ Iíd think itís a regular shipping serviceÖ who knows though.

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Re: Zio Ciro Nano
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2021, 11:00:06 PM »
I thought the explanation was a little off as well, however, it looked like Vito struggled to get it on the shelf, but I donít think it weighs more than 70 pounds.  The ZioCiro Mini is 45kg or slightly over 100lbs, but that goes for $1400 before shipping which uses LTL lift gate service for delivery.  Another thing I thought was strange was that it sounded like Vito said that that video was shot in Los Angeles ( my Italian is hit or miss)

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Re: Zio Ciro Nano
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2021, 06:58:01 AM »
That is his LA home. It was probably shipped to him directly from Italy. The entire oven is stone, hence the weight.

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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2021, 01:44:11 PM »
Toby and Mario from Tyzzeria might be able to ship the Nano to the US once it hits the market in Europe. Depends on the weight probably how much extra it would be. They previously shipped the Edil planet Surriento to the US for 200 bucks or so. If the oven is as good as it looks in the videos then it would be totally worth it.

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Re: Zio Ciro Nano
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2021, 08:36:15 PM »
That orange color is nice

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Re: Zio Ciro Nano
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2022, 10:18:27 AM »
the news from the importer (or "non importer") is really a shame.   This looks like a great oven.    It is becoming apparent to me at least that there is a niche in the market above the portables (ooni, roccboxx, etc) but below the larger stainless ovens like the Forno Bella.   Gozney Dome seems close, but I'd go fo something heavily insulated like this one every time.

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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2022, 09:47:07 PM »
Actually, I think the importers are not thinking like a marketer.  Their issue is they believe that cost of the oven vs the shipping makes it unattractive.  What would they need to do to make it more attractive?  Increase the perceived value.  Add accessories such as peel, stands, covers etc at close to cost and the cost to ship the package doesnít look so bad.  Itís a variation on the Cooney Island deal and QVC does it all the time.

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Re: Zio Ciro Nano
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2022, 10:01:23 PM »
They could sell tons of them here.
Also quite innovative putting some refractory material under the steel, first hybrid on the market.
Itís a good brand and it would probably outperform the ovens in the sub $1000 range.

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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2022, 10:55:06 AM »
Isnít someone from the FL importer a member on this forum?    Perhaps a group buy can persuade a batch to be imported?

Someone called this design a hybrid, and i think that is a great description.  Its perfect for small scale pizza dorks like myself. 

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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2022, 09:19:04 AM »
Greetings,
JoJo introduced me to this thread, and I would like to share the information I have with this group regarding the Zio Ciro Nano, and its status in the US Market goes.
As a politician that has nothing to say, I will try to be briefÖ
Sometime last year Zio Ciro decided to explore the feasibility of introducing an entry level oven in various markets.
As the US importer, I had several conversations with the manufacturer in Italy regarding the characteristics I felt the oven had to have, based on the experience developed over the last several years.
To be a commercial success in the US the Nano had to be light enough to be shipped via express carrier, the standards of packaging had to meet the requirements set forth by the carriers, had to be compatible with the US propane tanks and regulators readily available and had to be priced as an entry level product.
When I introduced the Mini to the US market, I tried to use express carriers (FedEx, UPS) to deliver those models, and despite the weight was within the threshold for express shipment, the results were disappointing. Several units were damaged in transit, and the carriers refused to honor the damage claims citing the packaging standards. As a consequence, the Zio Ciro Mini is now shipped via common carrier and delivered with trucks fitted with a hydraulic lift gate. Those shipping requirements effect the shipping price quite significantly but are necessary to ensure the oven reaches its destination without damages.
When the Nano was discussed, I felt the refractory dome was going to expose the oven to shipping damages and limit the ability to use express carriers to deliver the ovens The alternative would remain common carrier, at the cost of $200 to $350.
Commercially, that is not a valid solution. While I know the refractory dome offers an advantage, I am not sure the advantage is worth paying twice as much as many competitors` products.
The original launch market for the Nano was Italy, and the burners are tuned for the Italian gas pressures and volumes; in order to ensure the performance of the oven in the US market, Zio Ciro would have to develop a connection that would allow for the use of standard regulators, not the ones we currently use on the larger ovens, since the cost of using Ĺ inch gas hose, brass adapters and high BTU regulators would prevent us hitting the target price.
In the upcoming months the manufacturer and I will discuss the possible solutions, and while I do hope to have the Nano available in the US for our customers soon, I will only do so if I was certain I was introducing an oven that I could sell, ship and support.
Anybody that has purchase an oven from us in the last few years has received their SC60, SC80 or SC100 in a heavy duty, 250 lbs. 1-inch-thick crates or custom-made crates; We have had to do that, at great cost both financially and of time, to ensure the integrity of the ovens while in transit.
While I can justify that on a larger oven, it would not be possible to spend that kind of resources on a smaller, entry level unit.
I hope this gives you a slightly better insight on where we are, I would be happy to answer any question you might have via this forum or directly.
Best,
Manuel

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Re: Zio Ciro Nano
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2022, 07:40:22 PM »
Manuel,

Thank you for the detailed reply.   I'm betting that i'm not the only one watching closely.    So many of these "sub 100lb" portable ovens are available now and it seems none of them are just right.     Hot spots, floor too conductive, only runs wide open, cant do 5 pizzas in a row, etc.   This nano with the refractory material has a lot of promise.

Hoping you can get one to our doors, competitively priced so we can start posting reviews.

Cheers !


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Re: Zio Ciro Nano
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2022, 08:21:23 PM »
Nothing would make me happier, but I need to make sure that if we introduce the Nano to the US market, we have a winning product from the get-go.
I was very excited when I first heard about it and I felt strongly we should have a presence in the entry level market, I just cannot afford to have ovens being returned due to damage as that would kill the project in its infancy.
I will update everyone as we have new developments!
Best,
Manuel

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