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Re: Sure seems to be a lot of used KA's for sale.
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2023, 09:07:39 PM »
Kitchenaids look really nice and people love them for that. Some of the other mixers from bosch, etc. are flat out not nice looking.

That being said my bowl lift kitchenaid from costco largely goes unused outside of pizza dough (not sure I even need to use it for that), because it's just too inconvenient to pour ingredients into the tiny gap. I'd rather just use a bowl and a hand mixer any day.

That being said the large whisk does better at whipping egg whites.

The kitchenaid struggles at high hydration like brioche but at least it's better than trying to make it by hand which is not fun.

Bosch is said to have an excellent track record & have been adorned by German chefs & gourmet cooks alike for many, many years. I have the Nutrimill Artist mixer which is slightly smaller, but almost similar to the larger Bosch Universal, which excells on making dough for bread & rolls.  ;)

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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2023, 09:14:54 PM »
They're probably refurbished models that had problems, fixed & resold as refurbished to get rid of them. I wouldn't buy any of them!!!! :-\

Also, consumers who have bought these mixers have found them to be dirty with dried-on cake batter & other forms of debris on them. Plus if you don't give the bowl a thorough wash before use, you could end up with whatever you process in them smudged with black dirt!!

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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2023, 11:42:43 PM »
Also, consumers who have bought these mixers have found them to be dirty with dried-on cake batter & other forms of debris on them. Plus if you don't give the bowl a thorough wash before use, you could end up with whatever you process in them smudged with black dirt!!

You won't have dried on cake batter if you use the attachment which scrapes the side of the bowl as it mixes  :-D

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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2023, 12:03:10 AM »
the hobart-badged K5SS i have been tinkering on for the last couple days had a whole lot of greasy flour stuck to it before i scrubbed all that off.
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Re: Sure seems to be a lot of used KA's for sale.
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2023, 08:51:46 AM »
One reason there are a lot of KAs for sale is simply that there are a lot of them out there. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more KAs in homes than all other brands combined.
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Re: Sure seems to be a lot of used KA's for sale.
« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2023, 01:33:14 PM »
Bosch is said to have an excellent track record & have been adorned by German chefs & gourmet cooks alike for many, many years. I have the Nutrimill Artist mixer which is slightly smaller, but almost similar to the larger Bosch Universal, which excells on making dough for bread & rolls.  ;)

Yea they really do have a great track record. I own both the Bosch universal plus and the artiste. As far as bowl size, they're identical. The bowls and all attachments are compatible (aside from the stuff that uses the high speed auxiliary drive on the Bosch). Footprint wise, the Bosch takes up more space because of the auxiliary drive but I don't feel like they perform any different. I do like that the artiste has the extender built into the dough hook, one less part to wash (or lose) and the artiste bowl top has that very convenient ingredient opening which is nice. If I had to keep one mixer, I'd probably just keep the artiste.
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Re: Sure seems to be a lot of used KA's for sale.
« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2023, 02:43:54 PM »
One reason there are a lot of KAs for sale is simply that there are a lot of them out there. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more KAs in homes than all other brands combined.

This is probably true.
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Re: Sure seems to be a lot of used KA's for sale.
« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2023, 02:57:19 PM »
You won't have dried on cake batter if you use the attachment which scrapes the side of the bowl as it mixes  :-D

The dried up cake batter is on the mixer itself.

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Re: Sure seems to be a lot of used KA's for sale.
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2023, 09:24:20 PM »
Well, here's my used Hobart-era K5SS update.

The only obvious mechanical fault was the bowl lift mechanism. It was sagging in the lifted position pretty bad. The L-shaped bracket on the bowl lift rod inside the pedistal has a hole in it that is somewhat larger than the rod, and it had forced it's way half way over the cotter pin. I reassembled with an M6 washer that is a tight fit around the rod between the bracket and the rod, and torqued down the spring a bit more. It snaps to the top quite well now.

The bowl, flat beater, whisk, and spiral hook i bought on ebay for $50 shipped turned out to be 5.5 quart rather than the advertised 5 quart. The 5.5 is wider, so the bowl, beater, and whisk don't begin to fit the K5SS. Well, I could modify the whisk. I received an apology, a full refund, and a request to throw them out. Near as i can tell, these parts belong to the KSM55 model. There seems to be only one other 5.5 quart lift-bowl kitchenaid, and it has a fancier bowl.

Initially i wasn't pleased with the sound of the motor or the speed regulation. Some parts of the internet suggested that the "control board" (plastic panel with electrical connections, some of them spring loaded) could be at fault due to metal fatigue, which, uh, i don't think that was it. But the contact points were visibly worn and fouled.

Bought the replacement part anyway. Turned up today. I note that the upper set of contacts on the original version are copper on some kind of white metal, and the replacement are copper on brass.

I also finally managed to score a bowl appropriate for the K5SS on local classifieds today for $35 cash.

After removing the original part, I took a closer look at the mechanical governor assembly on the back of the armature spindle and noticed that the little barrel weights had worn flat spots where they rest against the frame of the assembly, so i rotated them 180 degrees. I assume this will make them move a little easier.

I now have it running with what i assume to be normal performance.

I made an experimental batch of potato pizza dough in it. So far I'm not exactly impressed.

The spiral hook i have seems to measure 6.75 inches long. I've just now remembered that i actually do have oversize calipers so i could measure it with some precision, will get to that later i guess. But this seems to be, among the spiral hooks available on amazon, the size given for hooks said to be compatible with the K5SS.

Did i mention that the kitchenaid website is no help? It's negative help. Search for an older model, the hits are pages for accessories where someone asked if it fits it, and got the answer that it does not. Except when the model number is nowhere on the page at all.

No trouble finding the service manual for the K5SS that was published pre-whirlpool but it doesn't have accessory specs. The only user manual i can find is obviously in reference to a modern reproduction by whirlpool. The graphics are too good. And they don't give a part number for the hook anyway.

For that matter, the bowl i found is stamped "made in korea" so it is most likely a more recent Whirlpool part. Seems to fit perfectly, near as i can tell.

The (presumed) KSM55 bowl doesn't fit between the arms on the stand at all, and the flat beater, hooked up to the planetary, strikes the body of the mixer. The whisk fits in the K5SS bowl but strikes the side of the bowl. I could bend it. I ordered a new one instead.

Anyway.

With 160g of cooked, riced potato flesh and 210ml of water in the bottom of the bowl, the tip of the spiral hook just barely dips into the surface of the liquid. Barely skims it.

The bosch um3 hook doesn't exactly scrape the bowl either, but this was targeted for near 800g of dough which is a pretty normal batch size for me in the bosch, and it's less bullshitty in the bosch. In either the plastic bowl or the deluxe bowl - the deluxe hook comes a lot closer to scraping the deluxe bowl fwiw. The longest arm in the deluxe setup is only a few mm from the bottom and walls.

There's a somewhat expensive stainless steel spiral hook for KA mixers on amazon that is, iirc, 7.5" long? After some more research i may buy it.

Edit: 7.3 inch. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BHS3BF3N/?tag=pmak-20
« Last Edit: April 04, 2023, 09:40:57 PM by Timpanogos Slim »
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Re: Sure seems to be a lot of used KA's for sale.
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2023, 09:41:11 PM »
One reason there are a lot of KAs for sale is simply that there are a lot of them out there. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more KAs in homes than all other brands combined.

Once they started making them in colors they hit the home run, and when they went to the shiny enamel colors, they hit the grand slam. They are great for the casual baker, but I would destroy one quick.  My friend gave me a red one. I mixed pizza dough with it. It got hot and reminded me of burning up a dozen pro 6-quart KA mixers making bagels, dog biscuits, pizza dough, in my classroom bakery program. 
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Re: Sure seems to be a lot of used KA's for sale.
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2023, 05:19:29 PM »
the longer, chinese (but with a 'brand name' that parses as welsh to me), stainless steel hook doesn't strike the bowl in the K5SS. The end of the hook is close enough to the bottom that i can barely fit a fingertip between them. I'll make my next full size pullman loaf in it and see how i like it.
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« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2023, 02:34:30 PM »
Mixed my 960g loaf.

If the spiral hook cuts kneading time significantly vs. the C hook, I really feel bad for people with the C hook.

It worked. It took minutes longer than the bosch w/ toroidal bowl and 3rd party hook extender. I have not been dissuaded from the notion that, for bread dough, planetary mixing is a more attractive idea, but not actually better.
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« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2023, 04:48:39 PM »
I'm not sure my KA even does anything that I would consider kneading if I use the stock C hook. The spiral hook made a huge difference, but this newer KA is such a pile of junk that it just rattles itself apart with low hydration dough. Wish it was a Hobart built KA lol.
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« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2023, 09:06:07 PM »
I'm not sure my KA even does anything that I would consider kneading if I use the stock C hook. The spiral hook made a huge difference, but this newer KA is such a pile of junk that it just rattles itself apart with low hydration dough. Wish it was a Hobart built KA lol.

troll around craigslist and fb marketplace for a used bosch.
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« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2023, 07:40:07 PM »
troll around craigslist and fb marketplace for a used bosch.

My primary mixer is a Bosch universal plus, also have a nutrimill artiste and a Paula Deen (lol) clone of a Bosch that I found at a thrift shop unused. The KA was a gift from my parents a few years back. I really have no good reason to be using it since I have all the whisks, paddles, scrapers and hooks known to man for the Bosch and Nutrimill. I probably should just offload it and forget about it.
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Re: Sure seems to be a lot of used KA's for sale.
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2023, 11:26:11 PM »
My primary mixer is a Bosch universal plus, also have a nutrimill artiste and a Paula Deen (lol) clone of a Bosch that I found at a thrift shop unused. The KA was a gift from my parents a few years back. I really have no good reason to be using it since I have all the whisks, paddles, scrapers and hooks known to man for the Bosch and Nutrimill. I probably should just offload it and forget about it.

The Paula Deen , Wolfgang Puck & others are just knock-offs of the Nutrimill Artiste. And even though the Nutrimill Artiste has a 6.5-qt plastic bowl, the others have a stainless steel bowl, but they are only a 5-qt bowl & with a dough hook quite similar to the one for the Wondermix mixer. To me, they are kind of flimsily made knock-offs!!  :-\
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« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2023, 12:01:50 AM »
I'm starting to think that maybe i should resell my hobart-badged K5SS as a complete refurbished setup to, well, someone who doesn't make bread.

Use the proceeds to get myself a low-miles, mid aughts bosch universal, or enough parts of one to make a complete kit (I got some spares, lemme tell ya), and pass my maybe 50-year-old UM3 to my mixerless friend.
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Re: Sure seems to be a lot of used KA's for sale.
« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2023, 01:27:36 PM »
https://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php?topic=49680.0

Mike, thanks for linking that thread. Its pushed me even further in the direction of the BUP. A few questions/comments:
 - I'm planning on getting the black version with SS bowl. Aside from the dough hook extender, and bottom drive dough hook for large batches, are there any other accessories that are worth buying for bread/pizza dough making? I'm not currently interested in shredding cheese with it.
- I don't know if it's been mentioned but there's now a BUP 500W versions that seem to be the standard on most websites. I've found an 800W version on Amazon, but thought it's worth noting that not all BUPs are the 800W monsters.

Amazon, 800W, $459 (sold by Nutrimill): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TDCYZS3/?tag=pmak-20
Bosch, 500W (per Q&A section), $459: https://www.boschmixers.com/product/black-universal-plus/
Nutrimill, 500W (per Q&A section), $459: https://www.nutrimill.com/product/black-bosch-universal-plus-mixer/
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Re: Sure seems to be a lot of used KA's for sale.
« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2023, 01:32:59 PM »
The rating system for the motors was changed by UL. The Bosch motor is the same.

"We have received notice from Bosch® Germany that UL® “Underwriters Laboratory” has changed the way they rate motors being sold in the U.S. market. As a result, the motor used in the Bosch Universal Plus® mixer has been evaluated and re-rated from 800 Watts to 500 Watts."
https://www.boschmixers.com/blog/underwriters-laboratory-changed-how-they-rate-motors/#:~:text=We%20have%20received%20notice%20from,800%20Watts%20to%20500%20Watts.

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