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Pizza Making => Neapolitan Style => Topic started by: 100million on June 10, 2008, 01:35:17 AM

Title: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cooked
Post by: 100million on June 10, 2008, 01:35:17 AM
Bill or anyone

I have been trying to make wood fired pizza.  And I am having a problem with the way I want the crust to turns out.

I have a wood fired Dome oven the floor gets about 580-650and the roof gets 950-1050

I can get the Pizza to look good and it taste good, BUT the edge of the pizza does not get cracker crust and in middle of the pizza is soggy or like not done.

It only takes about 2 mins at the most to cook it  I turn it 180 in about 1 min.

I only put sauce, lite shredded cheese, fresh mozz and fresh vine rip tomatos.

I use this recipe for the dough

574 g high gluten Flours
12 g sea salt
3 g instant yeast
57 g olive oil
397 g cold water

I got this Recipe from Peter Reinharts Napoletana Pizza Dough

I follow the recipes and mixing and raising instruction

Sauce is
1 can tomato sauce
1 can died tomatoes
Spices


If you can give me some ideas that would get me on the right track, that would be nice and I would be grateful.

I am not sure what I am doing wrong.

If I lower my hydrations will that make it crisper? And cook the middle of the pizza?

If I could just get it CRISPY like a cracker it would be perfect.  :chef: :chef: :chef: >:D >:D

I hope you can help

Chris Richer
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: Pizza_Not_War on June 10, 2008, 02:04:09 AM
Chris,

I don't have a WFO. However from all the reading I have done combined with my use of the 2Stone oven I can tell you that the variance between your oven floor and dome temperatures is a big one. At 600 degrees on the floor stone (2stone oven) I would be @3-4+ minutes to cook a pizza. And if I had 1000 degrees air temps above it then the top would burn while the bottom was cooking.

Tell us more about your oven so that those that have them can help you nail down the problem.

PNW
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: Bill/SFNM on June 10, 2008, 07:42:58 AM
Chris,

First, you're going to have decide what kind of crust you are aiming for. This is the Neapolitan board, home of high-hydration doughs that produce light, soft crusts, not crackery ones. Perhaps you should take a look at the Cracker Crust board (http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/board,28.0.html). You will see dough formulas there that are very different from the one you are using. These may help you get the result you are seeking.
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cooked
Post by: 100million on June 10, 2008, 10:37:38 AM
Bill with all that said

The middle of the pizza is not right.

It is soggy

Can't you get puffy soft looking dough with a thin crisp outer surface  (like Fresh French Bread out of the oven?) 

But, the over all appearance of the pizza looks Awesome

Any Ideas?

Chris
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: Bill/SFNM on June 10, 2008, 11:13:21 AM
Chris,

An unevenly baked pie is the result of unbalanced application of heat within the time period you have selected for baking. In a WFO, heat is transferred to the pie from the floor, from the air around the pie, and from the coals, fire, and dome. These all need to be carefully adjusted for all parts of the pie to reach the desired doneness at the same time. The thickness of the crust edges, middle/toppings will also affect how long each of those takes to bake. If I notice the crust is done, but the toppings need a bit more cooking, I briefly lift the pie close to the top of the oven where it gets a quick blast of heat. 

Yes you can get a puffy dough with a crisp outer layer, but I would have no idea how to achieve this with the dough formula or oven temps you are using. Are you baking on a ~600F deck for a specific reason?

Bill/SFNM

Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cooked
Post by: 100million on June 10, 2008, 11:27:53 AM
Bill

What temp should my deck be?  Why did you say  Are you baking on a ~600F deck for a specific reason? Should it be different?

What should I try to use? (es you can get a puffy dough with a crisp outer layer, but I would have no idea how to achieve this with the dough formula or oven temps you are using)

Could my pie be too thin?

Could my sauce be too liquidy?

The pie looks great cooked all around and toppings look great

Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: Bill/SFNM on June 10, 2008, 12:10:13 PM
If you are trying to make authentic Neapolitan pies, then 600F is way too low. If you are trying to make an American pie, it may be too high. My deck is 900-1000F, but I think it would be  unsatisfactory if I used your dough formula, but I've never tried.   

Your pie could be too thin and your sauce too liquid, but how are we to know?  Why don't you make the pie thicker next time? And the time after that, make the sauce thicker? You may be just a few tweaks away from the perfect pizza for you or you may have a great deal of experimenting ahead.

And it doesn't matter how the pie looks if the taste and texture are wrong. Some of my worst pies have looked gorgeous.

Bill/SFNM

 
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: scott r on June 10, 2008, 12:14:39 PM
Oops, started this one a while ago and there have been 4 posts since then.  Hopefully there is nothing redundant here, but I have a few tips if you do want to stick with a neapolitan style pizza.

Your sauce probably has too much water in it. Neapolitan pizza tends to have much less sauce than a typical american pizza, almost to the point where it is barely covering the top of the dough.  The faster you pizza bakes the less time the water in the sauce has to evaporate. If you want to use a more "american" amount of sauce try adding paste, or drain your tomatoes after crushing in a fine wire mesh strainer.

Yes, lowering your hydration would definitely help you to get a crispier dough that is more thoroughly cooked in the center.  Although you tend to see high hydrations here in the neapolitan section of our forum it is actually the lower temperature New York style pizzas that I think really benefit from a wetter dough. I bake both high temp pizzas and normal 550 degree pizzas all the time and I actually prefer a slightly dryer dough for the high temp pizzas.

Your dough could be under or over kneaded which would cause it to have less oven spring and be more prone to gumming up.

Neapolitan pizza is very very thin, often described as credit card thickness.  If your dough is thicker it is not going to cook all the way through at high temps.

A few people who have traveled to naples (including a highly esteemed forum member) have come back to report to me that they found the pizza to be soggy even at the best pizzerias.  Along with the potential for too much moisture comes the benefit of a very fresh tasting pizza, but a delicate balance needs to be achieved so that it is dry enough and it bakes fast enough for the fresh flavor to shine through. It takes a master to perfect the art of this style of pizza, so keep working at it and perfecting your recipe until you find one that matches your oven.  


Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: Essen1 on June 10, 2008, 12:47:38 PM
Even though I don't have a WFO, only an LBE, I found this info here quite helpful:

http://www.woodstone-corp.com/cooking_naples_style_oven.htm

Mike
Title: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cooked
Post by: pftaylor on June 10, 2008, 12:53:04 PM
Here's my 2 cents:
Bill/SFNM is right you are fishing in the wrong honey hole.

Having said that, there are numerous thoughts which come to my mind which may be helpful. At the risk of boring you and others, kindly allow me to ruminate. Perhaps one or more of these thoughts will prove useful in your search for a crust more like a saltine cracker:

- Use less sauce. Much less sauce. A lighter hand will work wonders. Less is more here. The proof point is to bake an undressed skin for the normal amount of time and observe the charring. If your crust is only charred on bottom and the side of the rim then you dont have enough top (dome) heat as the crust is baking primarily from below and from the live flame. How long do you fire the oven before baking? Another suggestion here is to move the placement of the skin away from the fire as far as possible and then lift the skin to the dome for a short time frame to char the top of the pie at the end of the baking process. A compromise to be sure but it requires the least amount of changes on your part and may get you 80% of the way there. Make sense?

- Consider building a smaller fire and increase the bake time to approximately four minutes. Maybe five minutes or more and make sure to place the skin as far from the live flame as possible. Heck, ten minutes might be ideal but two minutes is not enough time for a cracker crust unless you have uniform heat on the top and bottom which Im surmising you dont. Even then, a cracker crust is hard to produce. The take home message here is try a longer bake

- You are using an inappropriate recipe for your desired crust profile. Most of Reinharts recipes stink, even for veterans, so Im not surprised you are having difficulty. I have attempted to make a few of his pies and they were okay. The recipes on this site are tops in the pizza business for home pizza baking. So switch recipes to one suggested for cracker crusts.

- Cracker crusts require less hydration and longer bake times among other things. Frankly, your home oven could produce a cracker crust much better than a WFO could

- Take photographs of your baked crust so the helpful forum membership here can really help. Sometimes two sets of eyes are better than one. You might be surprised at our thoughts once we see what you and your oven produce

- Buy a laser temperature gun if you dont already own one. It is the only way to begin to understand your oven

- Consider sharing your dough management process with us as well

Finally, can you post a photograph of what youre ideal pizza looks like?
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: ebpizza on June 10, 2008, 01:13:10 PM
inspirational video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYIEN0oSvgc
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: 100million on June 10, 2008, 01:47:00 PM
inspirational video...
youtube.com/watch?v=GYIEN0oSvgc

I dont think the link works
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cooked
Post by: 100million on June 10, 2008, 02:07:09 PM
Bill or Others :)

If you think my recipe for the dough is different then yours.   Can you direct me to your recipe and the way you make it so I can try it? 

Are you at 62 Hydration?

And How do you get your floor at 900?

I think I can only go to 650 after 1.5-2 hours of heating it up....Should I try to get it up higher?

All the info is great and TY FOR EVERYTHING YOU GUYS ARE HELPING ME ON SO FAR
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: Bill/SFNM on June 10, 2008, 02:18:19 PM
Oven is fired for about 4 hours, depending on starting temp of oven. This dough will NOT work well at 600F if you are looking for soft and puffy crust.

100% Caputo Pizzeria flour
62% hydration including starter
3%-5% fully activated starter culture (percentage of total dough weight) 3% for 2-day room temp dough, 5% for 1-day room temp.
3% salt

Sparsely topped (80-100g sauce, 80-100g cheese). Baking time ~45 seconds. 240g dough balls. Note, my pies are puffier at the edges than typical Neapolitan pies because that is the way I like them.

As you can see, this is pretty far from your recipe. Not that it is better than anyone else's. This is simply what makes me happy.  :)

 
 
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cooked
Post by: 100million on June 10, 2008, 02:26:12 PM
It is all about MAKING POPPA HAPPY

If I dont have starter

How much yeast?  do you think would be close? and do you have that video on the process of how to make your dough?

Chris

I will try to fire mine for 4 hours to see if i can get the floor hotter ....... Maybe it will transfer to the floor from the dome

Chris
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: Bill/SFNM on June 10, 2008, 08:00:29 PM
See Pete-zza's post about starter/yeast conversions (http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,5894.msg50534.html#msg50534). Since I don't use commercial yeast, someone else will have to answer your question.

Here is my old video on making dough: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQd38yoND0g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQd38yoND0g)


Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cooked
Post by: Bryan S on June 11, 2008, 12:22:39 AM
Sounds like to me you are rushing the pre-heat phase. Cold deck, hot top you need to do a longer preheat IMO.
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cooked
Post by: 100million on June 11, 2008, 01:25:47 AM
Well with all things said

I want to thank you Guys or Gals for all the help.  If you think I need to change things I will try again later.

I will try to send some pictures of oven and outdoor kitchen tomorrow along with Pie pictures

But Here is what I am going to try tomorrow

Dough Slow Rise...................

I just made it and formed 4 250 g balls

100% Flour High Gluten 583 g or 20.5 oz
62% Water 361 g or 12.75 oz
.6% IDY 3.5 g or .12 oz
2.1% Salt 12.26 g or .43 oz
10% Oil 58.5 g or 36 oz

Mix dry stuff and then wet stuff mix for 6 Minutes dough hook on med Kitchen-aid

make balls
Put on cookie tray and wrap in plastic bag and seal
Start heating oven for about 4 hours (we will see if the heat will transfer to the floor in 4 hours instead of 2)
Let rise until 4pm tomorrow in refer
take out for 2 hours still covered
Shape in about 9 inch pies
Light Sauce (1 can tomato sauce 1 can paste spices)
Light shredded cheese
Fresh mozz
Tomato's The non salmonella ones  :-D :-D :D ;D

Bake ( i hope 90 seconds )

EAT
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: Bill/SFNM on June 11, 2008, 03:01:32 AM
The oil could be a problem. The crust may be softer, but fats conduct heat much better than water and could cause the crust to cook too quickly.
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: November on June 11, 2008, 09:35:12 AM
I agree the oil could be a problem.  That's a lot of oil for a pizza to be baked at such high temperatures.

I wanted to make one technical clarification though about thermal conductivity.  Even I have stated in the past that oil has a "better" thermal conductivity than water, but the word "better" was used to describe a more subjective quality rather than an objective quality such as the word "higher" would indicate.  The fact is fat is a slower conductor of heat.  That's why our body uses fat as an insulator.  The reason it is a "better" conductor of heat than water when it comes to cooking is twofold.  First, it has a higher boiling point so it can reach higher temperatures.  Second, it is also a poor heat capacitor overall, so it takes less time/energy for it to reach a given temperature.  In fact, although water conducts heat about 3.412 times faster than olive oil, olive oil stores about 2.124 times less heat per unit of mass below 100C.  However, that's per unit of mass per unit of temperature, so just as soon at the temperature rises above 212.4C (414.32F), the oil begins to store more heat than liquid water.  Of course above 100C at standard pressure water turns to gas, which lowers its specific heat capacity by about half, so depending on the the pressure in the dough during baking, oil becomes the dominant heat capacitor between 100 and 212.4 C.

The differences between oil and water are academic since what matters is the difference between dough with a little oil and dough with a lot of oil.  The doughs I make have about twice the thermal conductivity and about 29% higher heat capacity than olive oil at room temperature.  Although the water in the dough evaporates, my dough doesn't, so oil becomes more critical at higher temperatures.  I estimate that the critical temperature gradient begins at around 473.63F.

- red.november
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: Bill/SFNM on June 11, 2008, 09:50:06 AM
red.november,

Thank you for the clarification. Then, in practical terms, is it accurate to state that a dough with fat in it will reach a given temperature faster than a dough without fat? Thanks.

Bill/SFNM
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: November on June 11, 2008, 10:31:40 AM
Then, in practical terms, is it accurate to state that a dough with fat in it will reach a given temperature faster than a dough without fat? Thanks.

Yes, but only after a critical temperature is reached will fat carry more heat.  People often get heat and temperature confused with each other, thinking that they're one and the same.  Two substances with different specific heat capacities, based on their chemical bond structure and atomic or molar mass, may be measured to have the same temperature even though one is storing a lot more heat.

100% Flour High Gluten 583 g or 20.5 oz
62% Water 361 g or 12.75 oz
.6% IDY 3.5 g or .12 oz
2.1% Salt 12.26 g or .43 oz
10% Oil 58.5 g or 36 oz


As long as I'm posting again, I thought I would clear up a little math trouble too.

2.1% Salt 12.24 g or .43 oz
10% Oil 58.3 g or 2.06 oz
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cooked
Post by: 100million on June 11, 2008, 11:35:08 PM
Outdoor Kitchen 1
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cooked
Post by: 100million on June 11, 2008, 11:35:41 PM
Outdoor Kitchen 2
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cooked
Post by: 100million on June 11, 2008, 11:36:05 PM
Pizza Oven
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cooked
Post by: 100million on June 11, 2008, 11:36:42 PM
Pizza pie Whole
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cooked
Post by: 100million on June 11, 2008, 11:37:06 PM
Pizza Pie Cut
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cooked
Post by: 100million on June 11, 2008, 11:37:40 PM
Leopard'ing

I will talk about Results after company leaves and post to all

Thanks for everything

I think i still need some tweaking of dough....

Chris
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: Bryan S on June 12, 2008, 12:27:39 AM
I agree the oil could be a problem.  That's a lot of oil for a pizza to be baked at such high temperatures.

I wanted to make one technical clarification though about thermal conductivity.  Even I have stated in the past that oil has a "better" thermal conductivity than water, but the word "better" was used to describe a more subjective quality rather than an objective quality such as the word "higher" would indicate.  The fact is fat is a slower conductor of heat.  That's why our body uses fat as an insulator.  The reason it is a "better" conductor of heat than water when it comes to cooking is twofold.  First, it has a higher boiling point so it can reach higher temperatures.  Second, it is also a poor heat capacitor overall, so it takes less time/energy for it to reach a given temperature.  In fact, although water conducts heat about 3.412 times faster than olive oil, olive oil stores about 2.124 times less heat per unit of mass below 100C.  However, that's per unit of mass per unit of temperature, so just as soon at the temperature rises above 212.4C (414.32F), the oil begins to store more heat than liquid water.  Of course above 100C at standard pressure water turns to gas, which lowers its specific heat capacity by about half, so depending on the the pressure in the dough during baking, oil becomes the dominant heat capacitor between 100 and 212.4 C.

The differences between oil and water are academic since what matters is the difference between dough with a little oil and dough with a lot of oil.  The doughs I make have about twice the thermal conductivity and about 29% higher heat capacity than olive oil at room temperature.  Although the water in the dough evaporates, my dough doesn't, so oil becomes more critical at higher temperatures.  I estimate that the critical temperature gradient begins at around 473.63F.

- red.november
Just exactly how do expect the common man to understand this post? :o For the 3 rocket scientists here, it's prob great info, Go NASA. For the other 6684 of us, this means nothing.  ??? ??? ??? Sorry, not going to get a calculator out to make pizza dough.  ::) Lets take a poll and see how many even have the slightest clue of what you said. I really mean no harm but, come on, lets be real here.  ;)
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: Pizza_Not_War on June 12, 2008, 01:13:17 AM
Just exactly how do expect the common man to understand this post? :o For the 3 rocket scientists here, it's prob great info, Go NASA. For the other 6684 of us, this means nothing.  ??? ??? ??? Sorry, not going to get a calculator out to make pizza dough.  ::) Lets take a poll and see how many even have the slightest clue of what you said. I really mean no harm but, come on, lets be real here.  ;)
LOL .. I don't fully understand all of his posts, but I have nothing against learning. Last I checked he is not paid to dumb down his writing style so that all readers can follow his precise posts.

6684 people can just bypass his posts.

btw - if you meant no harm why even mention it ??
It is supposed to be a forum about making pizza, not getting prickly about other peoples writing style.

PNW
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: November on June 12, 2008, 03:36:37 AM
Just exactly how do expect the common man to understand this post?

I guess the same way older kids understand it when they learn it in school.  Even if some of the details were lost on someone, I would certainly hope they can understand what the numbers with the little degree symbols next to them represent.  Since I only posted essentially three temperatures, one might expect they have a determinant significance.  Most people know 100C is the boiling point of water, so that narrows it to just 414.32F and 473.63F.  Ultimately 473.63F is the only temperature that follows the term, "critical" in a sentence, not to mention the fact it's the final temperature stated, and considering the post began with a problem statement phrased in plain English ("I agree the oil could be a problem.  That's a lot of oil for a pizza to be baked at such high temperatures."), a lot of oil above 473.63F could be a problem.  Deductive reasoning is the common man's friend.

Last I checked he is not paid to dumb down his writing style so that all readers can follow his precise posts.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: scott r on June 12, 2008, 11:29:08 AM
100 million, It looks to me like your pizzas turned out great, but if you are going to keep changing things you might want to try this.   Drop your oil down significantly to roughly 1-2%. I wouldn't go above 4%.  For now I would make sure your dough balls only double (no more or less) before use, and try some fresh mozzarella.  You said you were using fresh mozzarella, but this looks to be dry mozzarella or some type of inferior fresh mozzarella, possibly even pre shredded (a big no no because of the cellulose!).  If your cheese was better matched to your oven you would be able to let the dough cook a bit longer.  Nice work, and what a beautiful space to bake pizzas in!
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cooked
Post by: 100million on June 12, 2008, 12:02:13 PM
Scott

Thanks for the comment

I will try what you said But I was only seeing if the oven would bake the pies right and was not worried about the cheese or sauce ( I opened a can of tomato sauce and use it right out of the can)  All my pie use Fresh Mozz balls.  I did not want to waste them on this test try

What I am looking for is a Puffy dough with a crisp thin outer like FRESH FRENCH bread that comes directly out of the oven

Any Ideas??
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: scott r on June 13, 2008, 03:20:39 AM

Drop the oil significantly and make sure your cheese is matched to your oven and your dough.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cooked
Post by: jeff v on June 13, 2008, 09:20:25 PM

Any Ideas??

MY .02-Do everything the same next time except the oil. Post your results, thoughts and ask for feedback.

Your outdoor kitchen is a thing of beauty BTW.

Jeff
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: Essen1 on June 14, 2008, 03:15:21 AM
I agree the oil could be a problem.  That's a lot of oil for a pizza to be baked at such high temperatures.

I wanted to make one technical clarification though about thermal conductivity.  Even I have stated in the past that oil has a "better" thermal conductivity than water, but the word "better" was used to describe a more subjective quality rather than an objective quality such as the word "higher" would indicate.  The fact is fat is a slower conductor of heat.  That's why our body uses fat as an insulator.  The reason it is a "better" conductor of heat than water when it comes to cooking is twofold.  First, it has a higher boiling point so it can reach higher temperatures.  Second, it is also a poor heat capacitor overall, so it takes less time/energy for it to reach a given temperature.  In fact, although water conducts heat about 3.412 times faster than olive oil, olive oil stores about 2.124 times less heat per unit of mass below 100C.  However, that's per unit of mass per unit of temperature, so just as soon at the temperature rises above 212.4C (414.32F), the oil begins to store more heat than liquid water.  Of course above 100C at standard pressure water turns to gas, which lowers its specific heat capacity by about half, so depending on the the pressure in the dough during baking, oil becomes the dominant heat capacitor between 100 and 212.4 C.

The differences between oil and water are academic since what matters is the difference between dough with a little oil and dough with a lot of oil.  The doughs I make have about twice the thermal conductivity and about 29% higher heat capacity than olive oil at room temperature.  Although the water in the dough evaporates, my dough doesn't, so oil becomes more critical at higher temperatures.  I estimate that the critical temperature gradient begins at around 473.63F.

- red.november

RN (red.november),

Could you illustrate that for me once more? I have a basic understanding where you're coming from but it's another slow night for me.  ;D

Mike
Title: Re: Need help getting the PERFECT looking pizza Crispy and the middle dough cook
Post by: November on June 14, 2008, 04:26:00 AM
Could you illustrate that for me once more? I have a basic understanding where you're coming from but it's another slow night for me.  ;D

What are you wanting a better understanding of?  All I did was present details of how much greater a heat conductor fat becomes above a certain temperature in order to support the analysis of there being too much fat in the dough for a high temperature bake.

- red.november