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Title: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 16, 2019, 09:16:42 PM
Hi,

This will be an initial review with place holders for full review (and hopefully others can chip in).

I was hesitant to buy over a bank transaction because of scams, however upon research Edil Planet Forni is an established business, so I proceeded to order via my credit union which was cheaper than any bank $40 for the overseas transfer. As soon as I sent via email confirmation of wire transfer, Dario shipped the next day and has remained communicative throughout the whole process! Very satisfied from that point of view. The oven itself came in a overly secure box with foam and lots of insulation! Even so, UPS managed to nick the box right at the bottom to maybe a 1/2 barely visible dent.

UPS had some delays (grrrrrrr ups...) 

Initial impressions are:


1. Built is hefty and does not feel cheap at all.
2. Theres goodies in the bag, a small wooden pizza peel and a tshirt!
3. the sicilian brick is about 1 inch thick with insulation on the bottom.
4. There are instructions on how to install which state there has to be a burn in process.
Unfortunately i cant run any other tests since #1 I lack a regulator and #2 I want to make sure everything is assembled correctly. Hopefully in the next 2-3 I clear this up a bit.

Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: barryvabeach on September 17, 2019, 07:12:49 AM
Is it just one stone or several?  If one,  how do you fit it into the oven?  On the Ardore, there are two stones and the fit together side by side. 
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 17, 2019, 11:44:06 AM
Is it just one stone or several?  If one,  how do you fit it into the oven?  On the Ardore, there are two stones and the fit together side by side.
One stone only, it takes some effort and you need a wooden pry of some sort to remove it, but you can pull it in and out, its roughly 16*16 inch
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: barryvabeach on September 17, 2019, 07:10:46 PM
Interesting.  They both looked similar, so I had guessed that the floor was in two pieces.  So let us know how big a pie you can bake in the Etna.   

I also forgot to ask,  did you see a thermocouple in it?  I didn't see one in the Ardore when I first looked it over, but did see it later.  You will know since you should have to turn the knob way or push it in, or do something similar for a few seconds to warm up the thermocouple.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: thezaman on September 18, 2019, 09:00:31 AM
  When i got my oven from them there was no regulator or hose. a low pressure regulator works great with their oven. fortunately not expensive. because there is no hose you have to buy a regulator hose combination. with mine i had hose on hand so i could buy a regulator and fittings.
  you will find the burner to be very powerful and probably only run it 3/4 or less.
 no insulation is a issue you will have to raise it or the surface it sits on will get ruined. i know from experience .
 looking forward to your review.
 
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: thezaman on September 18, 2019, 09:03:20 AM
Interesting.  They both looked similar, so I had guessed that the floor was in two pieces.  So let us know how big a pie you can bake in the Etna.   

I also forgot to ask,  did you see a thermocouple in it?  I didn't see one in the Ardore when I first looked it over, but did see it later.  You will know since you should have to turn the knob way or push it in, or do something similar for a few seconds to warm up the thermocouple.
   


 mine oven from them has none. just light it with the gas on a very low setting. can be scary. 
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: rkfiske on September 18, 2019, 10:56:04 AM
no insulation is a issue you will have to raise it or the surface it sits on will get ruined. i know from experience .
 looking forward to your review.

I'm planning to rest mine on some fire brick, do you have any suggestions? Sounds like you have come up with a solution that works?
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on September 18, 2019, 12:43:12 PM
I'm planning to rest mine on some fire brick, do you have any suggestions? Sounds like you have come up with a solution that works?

I have mine on an IKEA cart that has a stainless top. Would have been fine to place directly on the stainless top but I wanted so more height. I made a 4 riser out of 1x4 cedar from HD and used water based stain to match the cart. So far holding up. Fire extinguisher at the ready at all times.

Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on September 18, 2019, 01:06:09 PM
In my test heat-up of the oven, it has been taking 45min to get to center floor temp of 850. I picked up a stainless peel from amazon that was just the right size to deflect back heat but still let the oven breathe. I have not tried it yet but will post results. The peel is a good gauge of stainless steel.

UPDATE: with this shield in place, from dead cold, oven flood center heated to 890 in 30 minutes. Definite improvement.

Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: rkfiske on September 18, 2019, 01:23:14 PM
I have mine on an IKEA cart that has a stainless top. Would have been fine to place directly on the stainless top but I wanted so more height. I made a 4 riser out of 1x4 cedar from HD and used water based stain to match the cart. So far holding up. Fire extinguisher at the ready at all times.

Oh man how funny, I was just eyeballing that same cart from Ikea! I ended up snagging a really great deal on a bench top tool stand and a roller cart for it for only 30 something bucks that I'm going to use, but I need to make my own top for it to rest on.
https://slickdeals.net/f/13380583-sears-craftsman-bench-top-tool-stand-17-94?src=catpagev2 (https://slickdeals.net/f/13380583-sears-craftsman-bench-top-tool-stand-17-94?src=catpagev2)
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 18, 2019, 02:26:47 PM
  When i got my oven from them there was no regulator or hose. a low pressure regulator works great with their oven. fortunately not expensive. because there is no hose you have to buy a regulator hose combination. with mine i had hose on hand so i could buy a regulator and fittings.
  you will find the burner to be very powerful and probably only run it 3/4 or less.
 no insulation is a issue you will have to raise it or the surface it sits on will get ruined. i know from experience .
 looking forward to your review.
 

I actually asked Dario this specific question and he said there was insulation under the stone. Maybe they started adding it recently. Can someone who just received an oven confirm? I plan on using mine on an outdoor granite countertop and was hoping it didnt need to be raised.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 18, 2019, 02:41:45 PM
Hi Everyone. Need some help here and hoping someone can help me out. I purchased this oven in the Natural Gas version, and I am reading that I need to purchase a low pressure regulator. Can someone please send me a link from Amazon or Ebay for an example of what I will need to make this work? Would they sell these low pressure regulators at a neighborhood Home Depot or Lowes? My oven is coming in this Friday and I want to make sure I have all the necessary material to get it up and running. Thanks in advance for the help!
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: rkfiske on September 18, 2019, 02:58:04 PM
Hi Everyone. Need some help here and hoping someone can help me out. I purchased this oven in the Natural Gas version, and I am reading that I need to purchase a low pressure regulator. Can someone please send me a link from Amazon or Ebay for an example of what I will need to make this work? Would they sell these low pressure regulators at a neighborhood Home Depot or Lowes? My oven is coming in this Friday and I want to make sure I have all the necessary material to get it up and running. Thanks in advance for the help!

I just finished speaking with Luca (I believe Dario's brother?) and he told me that the 250 port that I had was in fact for natural gas and that there was no regulator needed if you were hooking it up to residential gas. I'd still be careful doing it because I am unsure what the different pressures are between NG here and in Italy, so I plan to do a little more research, but it don't believe a regulator is required for our use. I just need to find the proper adapter to connect in to my system.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 18, 2019, 03:05:42 PM
I just finished speaking with Luca (I believe Dario's brother?) and he told me that the 250 port that I had was in fact for natural gas and that there was no regulator needed if you were hooking it up to residential gas. I'd still be careful doing it because I am unsure what the different pressures are between NG here and in Italy, so I plan to do a little more research, but it don't believe a regulator is required for our use. I just need to find the proper adapter to connect in to my system.

Thanks so much for the info! If you don't mind, could you please keep us posted on how you will connect your gas line to the oven? I have a natural gas quick connect coming out of my house in the back yard. I am just gonna need to figure out what fitting i need to connect to the oven. Thanks.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: rkfiske on September 18, 2019, 03:14:49 PM
Thanks so much for the info! If you don't mind, could you please keep us posted on how you will connect your gas line to the oven? I have a natural gas quick connect coming out of my house in the back yard. I am just gonna need to figure out what fitting i need to connect to the oven. Thanks.

Of course, the only issue is that I'm waiting to hear back on my broken brick floor in the oven. I'd rather not fire up anything until I have that taken care of. So there's a chance that you might get to it before me!

As far as fittings go, it looks to be a pretty small connection, I think it's less than a regular 3/8" fitting? Might need an adapter. I use a 3/8" flexible hose with a quick disconnect that I link up to my connection in my backyard as well. It's currently only used for my outdoor wok, but I plan to pick up a couple quick disconnects and adapters so I can outfit both the wok and the oven with disconnects and swap the hose. I picked up a somewhat inexpensive hose from Amazon that has been doing quite well. One word of suggestion is to ensure that you save and use those plastic caps to cover the connectors when not in use. I've heard that spiders can get all up in there and build webs and essentially ruin the flow within the pipes and hoses. I have been using those rubber protective caps and so far have not had an issue with my wok! A little worried because the pizza oven has a quite large and open venturi looking port where the jet connects. Not sure if I should consider some fine screen to cover it or if that will mess with the airflow too much.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 18, 2019, 10:03:45 PM
Second run as per instructions to 300 c.  Man the horrible smell, like burnt plastic! Hopefully it goes away but it certainly smells like trouble!
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: rkfiske on September 18, 2019, 10:52:24 PM
Second run as per instructions to 300 c.  Man the horrible smell, like burnt plastic! Hopefully it goes away but it certainly smells like trouble!

Dumb question but did you make sure to remove all the protective film? Maybe there's some small bits trapped around the sheet metal bends?

Also was there anything that needed to be removed from under the floor?
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 19, 2019, 12:19:32 AM
Dumb question but did you make sure to remove all the protective film? Maybe there's some small bits trapped around the sheet metal bends?

Also was there anything that needed to be removed from under the floor?
You know the one thing I didnt check, was under the oven itself! I will check once it cools off! But the instructions do mention odor and smoke so  ???
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 19, 2019, 12:26:18 AM
Alright gang
Floor temp was about 840F. Man it took like a whole hour to get there! I wonder if part of the flame getting outside of the oven creates a loss? I can see how covering the entrance up can create excess pressure to go out the only other hole which is the gas nozzle.

My shaping probably needs improvement! and one of my doughs stuck to the plate, I was too conservative with the oil!

Slightly modified Forkish 24 hour dough
 100% Gold medal bread flour
60% water
2.7 % salt
0.3% yeast
Pureed Cento tomatos
Low hydration mozarella

I tried to do a 250 g dough ball. My current scale only goes to 1g, so I measured 1g of yeast and divided it by two.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: thezaman on September 19, 2019, 07:19:53 AM
Second run as per instructions to 300 c.  Man the horrible smell, like burnt plastic! Hopefully it goes away but it certainly smells like trouble!




   look at your table under the unit.the under floor gets very hot. it could be burning that surface. the oven needs raised. i use fire bricks to protect my table. i had awful smells coming out of mine it was my table top burning.i added double insulation under my floor. helped some.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: rkfiske on September 19, 2019, 10:52:18 AM
To those of you who hooked up your ovens already, did it connect directly to your propane hose? My natural gas has threaded fittings on it and I wasn't sure if they were Metric or BSP or NPT threading. Gonna try to run to the local home depot tonight to try and see what fits, but was curious if you guys might shed some light on it. Unsure if we have the same connections or not though.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 20, 2019, 01:07:15 AM
To those of you who hooked up your ovens already, did it connect directly to your propane hose? My natural gas has threaded fittings on it and I wasn't sure if they were Metric or BSP or NPT threading. Gonna try to run to the local home depot tonight to try and see what fits, but was curious if you guys might shed some light on it. Unsure if we have the same connections or not though.
yup, the nozzle just connects directly to the regulator hose, propane in my case though.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 20, 2019, 01:09:52 AM
In my test heat-up of the oven, it has been taking 45min to get to center floor temp of 850. I picked up a stainless peel from amazon that was just the right size to deflect back heat but still let the oven breathe. I have not tried it yet but will post results. The peel is a good gauge of stainless steel.

UPDATE: with this shield in place, from dead cold, oven flood center heated to 890 in 30 minutes. Definite improvement.
Wow that is 15 minute decrease!
I wonder what a more permanent fix would look like?  I dont have a metal peel, but will try with some aluminum foil maybe to the same extent you did, that should increase a little heat retention
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on September 20, 2019, 07:50:21 AM
Wow that is 15 minute decrease!
I wonder what a more permanent fix would look like?  I dont have a metal peel, but will try with some aluminum foil maybe to the same extent you did, that should increase a little heat retention

I think foil would melt from the serious heat.  I would not recommend.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 20, 2019, 07:20:11 PM
yup, the nozzle just connects directly to the regulator hose, propane in my case though.

My oven finally arrived! Initial impressions are great. Very well built and solid oven.

Anyone who has connected to the nozzle supplied, did you use a hose clamp like the one shown in the picture I attached?
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 20, 2019, 07:22:40 PM
yup, the nozzle just connects directly to the regulator hose, propane in my case though.

Hi Guppy can you take a picture of your connection to the nozzle?
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 20, 2019, 07:50:05 PM
After reading another thread from a Nonno Lillo owner, it looks like I was correct. You need to connect with just a hose clamp. I don't think that's code in North America but as long as you do it right should be no issues.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: barryvabeach on September 20, 2019, 08:55:53 PM
Make sure you test it with soapy water, or better yes, a gas sniffer.  https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DNTYX53/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 20, 2019, 09:12:01 PM
Hi Guppy can you take a picture of your connection to the nozzle?

Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 20, 2019, 09:15:06 PM
After reading another thread from a Nonno Lillo owner, it looks like I was correct. You need to connect with just a hose clamp. I don't think that's code in North America but as long as you do it right should be no issues.
I wonder, the regulator aside, if the nozzle has any safety feature at all.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 20, 2019, 09:25:13 PM


Thanks! And yours is propane correct?
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 20, 2019, 09:26:33 PM
Make sure you test it with soapy water, or better yes, a gas sniffer.  https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DNTYX53/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Thank you. Yes I will definitely check with soapy water first.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 20, 2019, 11:41:06 PM
Thanks! And yours is propane correct?
correct propane.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on September 21, 2019, 09:41:24 AM
Well my Sicilian brick cracked today while oven was cooling down. I emailed the Company/Dario but got an out of office reply. They are back Monday. I asked for the standard stone instead of the Sicilian brick which seems too fragile.  Hopefully they quickly address this. I will update on my experience.



Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 21, 2019, 10:35:07 AM
Well my Sicilian brick cracked today while oven was cooling down. I emailed the Company/Dario but got an out of office reply. They are back Monday. I asked for the standard stone instead of the Sicilian brick which seems too fragile.  Hopefully they quickly address this. I will update on my experience.

That's too bad. At least it's in the corner where you won't be cooking pizza. What temperature was the oven heated up too? Did you break the oven in like the instructions said?
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 21, 2019, 10:38:09 AM
Hi,

This will be an initial review with place holders for full review (and hopefully others can chip in).

I was hesitant to buy over a bank transaction because of scams, however upon research Edil Planet Forni is an established business, so I proceeded to order via my credit union which was cheaper than any bank $40 for the overseas transfer. As soon as I sent via email confirmation of wire transfer, Dario shipped the next day and has remained communicative throughout the whole process! Very satisfied from that point of view. The oven itself came in a overly secure box with foam and lots of insulation! Even so, UPS managed to nick the box right at the bottom to maybe a 1/2 barely visible dent.

UPS had some delays (grrrrrrr ups...) 

Initial impressions are:


1. Built is hefty and does not feel cheap at all.
2. Theres goodies in the bag, a small wooden pizza peel and a tshirt!
3. the sicilian brick is about 1 inch thick with no insulation on the bottom.
4. There are instructions on how to install which state there has to be a burn in process.
Unfortunately i cant run any other tests since #1 I lack a regulator and #2 I want to make sure everything is assembled correctly. Hopefully in the next 2-3 I clear this up a bit.

Hi Guppy I just re read this post and noticed you said there is no insulation on the bottom. Did you lift the stone? I have a couple inches of insulation under the stone
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on September 21, 2019, 01:02:08 PM
That's too bad. At least it's in the corner where you won't be cooking pizza. What temperature was the oven heated up too? Did you break the oven in like the instructions said?

I broke in the oven over several low/med temp burns as suggested in instructions.  I had baked several pies after the break in and yesterday it cracked cooling from 850 bake. This Sicilian brick seems very weak to me. This should not happen.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: rkfiske on September 21, 2019, 01:14:37 PM
I broke in the oven over several low/med temp burns as suggested in instructions.  I had baked several pies after the break in and yesterday it cracked cooling from 850 bake. This Sicilian brick seems very weak to me. This should not happen.

Yeah I gotta agree considering mine arrived broken. I'm kind of irritated that they've got essentially a single point failure with Dario on vacation. I'm still awaiting a resolution for it.

I wonder if we can source a saputo brick that will fit it.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on September 21, 2019, 01:57:29 PM
In my case, there is insulation at the bottom

Mine has no insulation on the bottom, other than the stone sitting in the stainless steel base of the oven.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 21, 2019, 02:02:51 PM
Mine has no insulation on the bottom, other than the stone sitting in the stainless steel base of the oven.

I wonder if this contributed to your stone cracking. The cool down would be more gradual if you had insulation between the stainless and stone. This needs to be corrected as they sent you an oven with missing parts. Hopefully when Dario is back this gets resolved.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 21, 2019, 02:07:21 PM
If anyone is curious about my set up, here it is. The thread on the nozzle that comes with the oven is 3/16. I went to home hardware and bought a few couplings that allowed me to connect to my natural gas hose. The other end of the hose is a quick connect which attaches to the quick connect coming out of my house. All joints have the natural gas yellow tape and I verified no leaks with soapy water. I just did the 100c warm up and everything worked great. Couple more break in and hopefully I'll be eating pizza tomorrow.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on September 21, 2019, 02:09:44 PM
I wonder if this contributed to your stone cracking. The cool down would be more gradual if you had insulation between the stainless and stone. This needs to be corrected as they sent you an oven with missing parts. Hopefully when Dario is back this gets resolved.

What parts do you think I might be missing? There was loose packaging insulation under the stone when it was shipped. I doubt that would stay in the oven with heat. At least I would not eat food with that loose insulation in the oven. I think this is the way the oven is designed without insulation on the bottom. The stone is the insulation. If anyone has a different set up or other parts that would provide insulation on the base, please share some photos.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 21, 2019, 02:39:17 PM
What parts do you think I might be missing? There was loose packaging insulation under the stone when it was shipped. I doubt that would stay in the oven with heat. At least I would not eat food with that loose insulation in the oven. I think this is the way the oven is designed without insulation on the bottom. The stone is the insulation. If anyone has a different set up or other parts that would provide insulation on the base, please share some photos.

Ok so that loose insulation under the stone is the insulation I was referring to. I believe the ardore has the same set up with the insulation loose under the stone. I left mine. I'm not sure if that will cause an issue with cooking food but that is how the oven was designed. Can someone with an ardore please confirm?
 
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 21, 2019, 02:41:21 PM
Ok so that loose insulation under the stone is the insulation I was referring to. I believe the ardore has the same set up with the insulation loose under the stone. I left mine. I'm not sure if that will cause an issue with cooking food but that is how the oven was designed. Can someone with an ardore please confirm?
So did I after I confirmed with the makers!
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on September 21, 2019, 02:49:32 PM
Ok so that loose insulation under the stone is the insulation I was referring to. I believe the ardore has the same set up with the insulation loose under the stone. I left mine. I'm not sure if that will cause an issue with cooking food but that is how the oven was designed. Can someone with an ardore please confirm?

That looked like packing protection but seems like I may be wrong. I will check with them on Monday. I threw all that out so it it belong there, ill need to get replacement insulation along with replacement stone. The documentation is non existent on how to set this oven up.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on September 21, 2019, 02:53:46 PM
On another note, I set up my oven cart to run the gas through a shut off valve in the front to control flow while backing. Works well.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 21, 2019, 03:08:17 PM
That looked like packing protection but seems like I may be wrong. I will check with them on Monday. I threw all that out so it it belong there, ill need to get replacement insulation along with replacement stone. The documentation is non existent on how to set this oven up.

I checked with them,  that is supposed to be left there.   I asked about heat retention, they said dont put anything in front of it because thats not how its intended to work and could result in a dangerous situation. Such as the flame moving upward and potentially damaging the upper part of the dome.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 21, 2019, 03:19:30 PM
On another note, I set up my oven cart to run the gas through a shut off valve in the front to control flow while backing. Works well.

Looks great!
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: barryvabeach on September 21, 2019, 03:23:01 PM
The Ardore has insulation under the stone.  IIRC, it looks like a panel of rigid insulation. 
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 21, 2019, 03:52:07 PM
On another note, I set up my oven cart to run the gas through a shut off valve in the front to control flow while backing. Works well.
awesome setup, you do have talent!
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 21, 2019, 04:32:23 PM
My final setup !
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 21, 2019, 06:45:04 PM
My final setup !

Very nice. Excited to try my first pizza tomorrow. First time cooking at these temps so it should be interesting.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: rkfiske on September 21, 2019, 06:50:18 PM
If anyone is curious about my set up, here it is. The thread on the nozzle that comes with the oven is 3/16. I went to home hardware and bought a few couplings that allowed me to connect to my natural gas hose. The other end of the hose is a quick connect which attaches to the quick connect coming out of my house. All joints have the natural gas yellow tape and I verified no leaks with soapy water. I just did the 100c warm up and everything worked great. Couple more break in and hopefully I'll be eating pizza tomorrow.

Dude you are the MVP! I appreciate you letting us know the threading on that valve. Saved me some time trying to figure out what to get.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on September 21, 2019, 08:53:56 PM
If anyone is curious about my set up, here it is. The thread on the nozzle that comes with the oven is 3/16. I went to home hardware and bought a few couplings that allowed me to connect to my natural gas hose. The other end of the hose is a quick connect which attaches to the quick connect coming out of my house. All joints have the natural gas yellow tape and I verified no leaks with soapy water. I just did the 100c warm up and everything worked great. Couple more break in and hopefully I'll be eating pizza tomorrow.

Nice set up. I made a quick connect for my propane tank from a quick connect hose and barb connectors from amazon. Cut the hose in half and connected the male to the oven and female to the tank.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 22, 2019, 12:24:58 AM
Nice set up. I made a quick connect for my propane tank from a quick connect hose and barb connectors from amazon. Cut the hose in half and connected the male to the oven and female to the tank.

Show us!
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 22, 2019, 08:16:25 AM
This oven is powerful. I haven't tested it to see how long it takes to get to 900, but I don't think it'll be too long.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on September 22, 2019, 09:01:52 AM
Show us!

I used this hose https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XK43NL3/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_s-2HDbZ4CESPZ

And these connectors https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CHI06S4/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_9.2HDb4YQWRY3

I have everything tucked away in my table. Next time I move it Ill take a picture. It was as simple as cutting the hose in half, attaching the cut end of the male end to the oven with a clamp and using one of the connectors on the regulator hose and attach to the cut end of the female quick connect.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on September 22, 2019, 10:35:04 AM
This oven is powerful. I haven't tested it to see how long it takes to get to 900, but I don't think it'll be too long.

Beautiful outdoor setup. Let us know how the first burn goes. Mine took 40 min to get close to 900 at center of stone.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 22, 2019, 11:16:50 AM
This oven is powerful. I haven't tested it to see how long it takes to get to 900, but I don't think it'll be too long.
up and running! now its pie time!
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 22, 2019, 11:24:32 AM
I used this hose https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XK43NL3/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_s-2HDbZ4CESPZ

And these connectors https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CHI06S4/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_9.2HDb4YQWRY3

I have everything tucked away in my table. Next time I move it Ill take a picture. It was as simple as cutting the hose in half, attaching the cut end of the male end to the oven with a clamp and using one of the connectors on the regulator hose and attach to the cut end of the female quick connect.
Cool thanks!
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 22, 2019, 03:13:19 PM
Ok first time cooking at these temps so please don't be too harsh! This thing is definitely powerful. Takes about 20-25 mins to get to 900. In between pizzas I came out and it was over 950. I had to turn the gas down. First pic cooked in about 70s.second pic cooked in about 60s
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 22, 2019, 03:26:02 PM
Ok first time cooking at these temps so please don't be too harsh! This thing is definitely powerful. Takes about 20-25 mins to get to 900. In between pizzas I came out and it was over 950. I had to turn the gas down. First pic cooked in about 70s.second pic cooked in about 60s
Is it better than windsor pizza? lol

Looks great! Also mind sharing dough recipe?
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 22, 2019, 03:41:47 PM
Is it better than windsor pizza? lol

Looks great! Also mind sharing dough recipe?

Thank you. I just used the recipe from Pizzapp for an 8 hr room temp dough with ADY. I combined all ingredients, kneaded for 5 mins. Let rest 20. Another couple mins of kneading. Let rest another 20. Balled and let rest for 8 hrs. Caputo 00 flour.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 22, 2019, 04:34:50 PM
Thank you. I just used the recipe from Pizzapp for an 8 hr room temp dough with ADY. I combined all ingredients, kneaded for 5 mins. Let rest 20. Another couple mins of kneading. Let rest another 20. Balled and let rest for 8 hrs. Caputo 00 flour.
Ah caputo, thats why.

 I want to experiment. From lowest bread dough available, to locally sourced, to caputo and see what differences I can spot
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on September 22, 2019, 04:42:40 PM
Here is one from yesterday. 90 seconds, maybe 15 seconds too long. Crust was so tender. Backed this on a cordierite stone as my Sicilian brick cracked and need to have seller send replacement.  Oven cooks well.

00 Caputo Blue
63%
16hr RT
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on September 22, 2019, 05:58:01 PM
Here is one from yesterday. 90 seconds, maybe 15 seconds too long. Crust was so tender. Backed this on a cordierite stone as my Sicilian brick cracked and need to have seller send replacement.  Oven cooks well.

00 Caputo Blue
63%
16hr RT

That looks great
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on September 22, 2019, 08:13:18 PM
Here is one from yesterday. 90 seconds, maybe 15 seconds too long. Crust was so tender. Backed this on a cordierite stone as my Sicilian brick cracked and need to have seller send replacement.  Oven cooks well.

00 Caputo Blue
63%
16hr RT


16 hour RT? wow!  was that sourdough?
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on September 22, 2019, 08:45:04 PM

16 hour RT? wow!  was that sourdough?

No sourdough. I usually do 24hr RT.  Its all about managing the amount of yeast. There are a few calculators on this site that help with that. I like the CalcolaPizza app for Apple.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: DoughFoSho on October 18, 2019, 05:39:44 AM
I have a question for you guys.

I've never tasted a Neapolitan pizza before, but it does sound and taste awesome. My home oven is pretty trash (not even suitable for NY style) and so I was considering purchasing one of these ovens, and the ETNA one seems like a good choice. The question is, will I be able to adjust the heat and tone it down in order to be able to make NY style pizzas, as well? In that case I'd consider that a win - a new oven that can bake both style pizzas, rather than just a NY one.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on October 18, 2019, 02:15:23 PM
I have a question for you guys.

I've never tasted a Neapolitan pizza before, but it does sound and taste awesome. My home oven is pretty trash (not even suitable for NY style) and so I was considering purchasing one of these ovens, and the ETNA one seems like a good choice. The question is, will I be able to adjust the heat and tone it down in order to be able to make NY style pizzas, as well? In that case I'd consider that a win - a new oven that can bake both style pizzas, rather than just a NY one.

Thanks!

Yes there is a valve on the back where you can adjust the flame. I can run mine between 500F - 1000F. Please keep in mind you wont be able to make much larger than a 12" pizza. If you're ok with that, then I would not hesitate to buy one of these.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: BackyardPizzaiolo on October 23, 2019, 10:38:30 AM
This oven is powerful. I haven't tested it to see how long it takes to get to 900, but I don't think it'll be too long.

You're not concerned about heat on your countertop? I would be afraid of cracking the counter.

Something else, don't you feel the burner could have been moved to the left a little bit? I feel like the space under the burner is probably not getting as warm.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on October 31, 2019, 03:55:42 PM
You're not concerned about heat on your countertop? I would be afraid of cracking the counter.

Something else, don't you feel the burner could have been moved to the left a little bit? I feel like the space under the burner is probably not getting as warm.

I elevated it because it is definitely hot. I am using a granite countertop so im not too concerned. I have done about 5 cools and so far no issues.
As for the burner being shifted to the left, It is as far left as it can go, but i think the difference between this oven and the ardore, is that the Ardore is has a taller dome. This allows the burner to be a little bit farther left, relative to the floor. I dont hav any issue with the floor being too cold on the left. I turn the pizza 180 after about 30s and it comes out cooked evenly
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on November 02, 2019, 05:09:44 PM
an update on my experience with this oven...

As I previously wrote about, my Sicilian brick cracked after a few uses.  it was not a great stone in terms of performance and I decided not to replace with seller which was proving to be not customer friendly to deal with.  I went with a true saputo stone and it is night and day difference from what came with the oven.  As for the oven, it heats well and maintains temp well and I have been making some great pizza with it on the real saputo.  i don't like that there are no legs with the oven and i had to make a base to rest it on so it does not damage my table.

Because of the issue i had with the with the stock brick (the crack and that it did not perform well) and the oven not having legs or a stand, i cannot fully make a recommendation to buy.  Having said that, I am happy with mine but had to put more money into it to deal with its shortcomings.  The Pizza Party Adore with the Saputo brick option, although pricy, seems like it may be the frustration way to go. 

Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: champignon on November 03, 2019, 11:12:38 AM
an update on my experience with this oven...

As I previously wrote about, my Sicilian brick cracked after a few uses.  it was not a great stone in terms of performance and I decided not to replace with seller which was proving to be not customer friendly to deal with.  I went with a true saputo stone and it is night and day difference from what came with the oven.  As for the oven, it heats well and maintains temp well and I have been making some great pizza with it on the real saputo.  i don't like that there are no legs with the oven and i had to make a base to rest it on so it does not damage my table.

Because of the issue i had with the with the stock brick (the crack and that it did not perform well) and the oven not having legs or a stand, i cannot fully make a recommendation to buy.  Having said that, I am happy with mine but had to put more money into it to deal with its shortcomings.  The Pizza Party Adore with the Saputo brick option, although pricy, seems like it may be the frustration way to go.

Sorry for your difficulties, but you seem to have dealt with them.

Most of us are in an extended learning phase, when it comes to making pizzas, and probably the majority of us will never exit it :-)  As such, I think there is an over-emphasis on making Neapolitan pizzas on this forum, when there are many other pizza styles, any of which could be preferable for a given individual.  I own an Ardore, which I used a lot initially, but now which gets little use.  Some of that is due to the fact that it's outside, and except in the summer is less pleasant to deal with in cold or bad weather, but also to its limitations on pizza size, the fact that it's dimly lit inside (lit only by the flames), and just overall more of a chore to use.

In contrast, I really love using my Waring Pro WPO500 110v electric oven, although you can't get it much above 800 F.  I have settled into a routine of using it in the 700 to 750 F range, but I'm going to do some experimentation with somewhat longer bakes and a bit lower temps (600-650F) to see if my thin crust pizzas have a better result when cooked a little more slowly.

I'm only writing this post because this sort of thread tends to give a myopic view of pizza making, that the choice is between this Etna oven and the Ardore.  I don't believe that is the case, there are other options that can produce pizzas that you may personally find to be preferable to what you will get out of either of these gas fired ovens.  I've found Waring customer service to be excellent; they just replaced an entire oven because the analog temperature gauge (not really necessary anyway, better to use an IR heat gun on the stone) stopped working.  If you go with the Waring, I highly recommend replacing the not-very-good stock stone with a cordierite stone, probably either 5/8" or 3/4" thickness, 18" x 18".  Contact a pottery supply store for this and order a cordierite kiln shelf.  I have found from personal experience that the 1" stone is too thick, both for reasons of taking way too long to heat up, plus it restricts oven height more than it needs to.

And the good news is that the Waring is in the same price league as these gas ovens, and you can sometimes get a deal with such things as online coupons, making offers on ebay, or during an ebay bucks promotion.  Something that is sold through US retail channels has its advantages over something that needs to be imported, both in terms of the hassle factor, and with customer service.

Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Guppy on November 03, 2019, 07:20:29 PM
an update on my experience with this oven...

As I previously wrote about, my Sicilian brick cracked after a few uses.  it was not a great stone in terms of performance and I decided not to replace with seller which was proving to be not customer friendly to deal with.  I went with a true saputo stone and it is night and day difference from what came with the oven.  As for the oven, it heats well and maintains temp well and I have been making some great pizza with it on the real saputo.  i don't like that there are no legs with the oven and i had to make a base to rest it on so it does not damage my table.

Because of the issue i had with the with the stock brick (the crack and that it did not perform well) and the oven not having legs or a stand, i cannot fully make a recommendation to buy.  Having said that, I am happy with mine but had to put more money into it to deal with its shortcomings.  The Pizza Party Adore with the Saputo brick option, although pricy, seems like it may be the frustration way to go.

What differences have you observed with the sicilian brick vs saputo stone?
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: rkfiske on November 04, 2019, 09:53:34 AM
an update on my experience with this oven...

As I previously wrote about, my Sicilian brick cracked after a few uses.  it was not a great stone in terms of performance and I decided not to replace with seller which was proving to be not customer friendly to deal with.  I went with a true saputo stone and it is night and day difference from what came with the oven.  As for the oven, it heats well and maintains temp well and I have been making some great pizza with it on the real saputo.  i don't like that there are no legs with the oven and i had to make a base to rest it on so it does not damage my table.

Because of the issue i had with the with the stock brick (the crack and that it did not perform well) and the oven not having legs or a stand, i cannot fully make a recommendation to buy.  Having said that, I am happy with mine but had to put more money into it to deal with its shortcomings.  The Pizza Party Adore with the Saputo brick option, although pricy, seems like it may be the frustration way to go.

I've been waiting for a resolution to complete in order to report my opinions, but as I'm still stuck without a good resolution and due to Roadrunner's review I'll go ahead and piggyback his review as well. My oven arrived with broken stone floor upon delivery and I still have yet to get a resolution to my problem. Edil Planet initially offloaded me to their logistics company to deal with, who then had me send my oven back to UPS for some review. I never received a completed review for it, but was only told in writing from the logistics company that my oven was found to be "fine". I explained that the shell was okay but the brick was not. They told me UPS said it was not their fault. Upon calling UPS later to get my oven back from them, I was told they had identified the broken brick and that they never had heard from the logistics company. I believe I was getting yanked around for that. I contacted Edil Planet on numerous occasions trying to get them to help me with the issue, but only received back pretty rude replies. They even accused me of breaking the brick intentionally to get a refund. So to echo Roadrunner's remarks, Edil Planet definitely left something to be desired with customer service. To their credit, both Dario and Luca were very friendly to talk to, but Agostino was the one that I was discussing the broken brick with and he was the one who had accused me of intentionally breaking my oven even after sending them dated photos from the same day as delivery showing the shattered stone. They would only offer me the brick but required me to pay for the shipping. When I brought up that I thought it was unfair to make me pay for shipping for an item that was received damaged, he essentially told me they were victims too and for all he knew, I was doing this all just to get a refund. I've never had that kind of response from a seller, took me quite by surprise. This whole ordeal has left me quite frustrated and angry.

I do believe the oven will be great to use once I can get it operating, but I have had to purchase my own Saputo floor meant for the Ardore from Pizza Party at my own expense. It should arrive soon, I'm hoping it'll fit in well. Then I just need to get my fittings now that my oven is finally back from UPS.

It sounds like mine was the only one damaged in transport, so if you wanted to take a gamble it might be worth it with perhaps the standard corderite stone vs the sicilian floor. Perhaps it's more durable? I would definitely be hesitant to order with a wire transfer as you wouldn't have any recourse action to take in the event of a damaged shipment. If you used your card via paypal, you would hopefully at least be able to bring it up with them. Additionally, if your card has good exchange rates, you can bypass Paypal's expensive exchange fees.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: champignon on November 04, 2019, 03:02:37 PM


It sounds like mine was the only one damaged in transport, so if you wanted to take a gamble it might be worth it with perhaps the standard corderite stone vs the sicilian floor. Perhaps it's more durable? I would definitely be hesitant to order with a wire transfer as you wouldn't have any recourse action to take in the event of a damaged shipment. If you used your card via paypal, you would hopefully at least be able to bring it up with them. Additionally, if your card has good exchange rates, you can bypass Paypal's expensive exchange fees.

Don't count on anything when it comes to using Paypal for an international transaction.  I absolutely hate this company and although forced to use them for some transactions, especially using ebay, they are impossible to get a hold of when there is a problem, and they do nothing to help you resolve one when it occurs.

I recently bought some Italian leather sandals that was shipped to me from Italy; I've bought from the manufacturer many times in the past and never had any problems with them.  The order was for over $500, and when I received the invoice I went through all the screens on Paypal, got to the one where they (by default) offer to do the currency exchange themselves, unchecked the box and indicated that I wanted my card charged in Euros, then hit "submit" or whatever the button said.  They did the conversion anyway for my card that has no transaction conversion fees, which amounted to about $25.

I then wasted about an hour trying to get someone on the phone to fix this.  The first person, after half an hour on hold, hung up on me in mid-sentence.  The second person was so stupid that he didn't even understand the issue I was raising.  I then went back online and tried to get them to reverse the charge; the reaction was an automated message to the seller telling them that the transaction had been reported as fraudulent, which then caused a week's delay in getting the items shipped.

I contested the charge with my bank which appears to be going nowhere.

Bottom line was $25 and an hour or two wasted to no avail.

Paypal has zero customer service, cannot be contacted in a normal way, and has misleading and intentionally designed software whose attempt is to get you to pay them for services you do not want.

I am hoping that a hungry class action lawyer goes after them on this currency conversion scam; generally, I hate those folks, but in this case it would be well-deserved.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on November 04, 2019, 03:31:51 PM
What differences have you observed with the sicilian brick vs saputo stone?

I find that the saputo is thicker and more dense and heats faster and hotter than the sicilian. I could not get to over 900 with the Sicilian but with the saputo I can get to 1000 if I let it go. I may have just received a poor quality Sicilian (obviously it cracked in me after a few uses).
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: rkfiske on November 05, 2019, 05:03:22 PM
I find that the saputo is thicker and more dense and heats faster and hotter than the sicilian. I could not get to over 900 with the Sicilian but with the saputo I can get to 1000 if I let it go. I may have just received a poor quality Sicilian (obviously it cracked in me after a few uses).

Do you still have those pieces of greenish-grey fiberglass(?) insulation underneath your new saputo?
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on November 05, 2019, 07:49:59 PM
Do you still have those pieces of greenish-grey fiberglass(?) insulation underneath your new saputo?

i had thrown the insulation that came with it out.  i bought stove insulation off amazon and laid under the stone  and it works just fine to insulate bottom.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on December 04, 2019, 06:22:21 PM
i have been enjoying baking on the saputo stone.  when my Sicilian brick cracked, i also ordered a 16x16x1 California Pizza Stone too.  finally gave that a try and i am very impressed.  it fits like a glove and bullet proof.  at 750 deck temp it put out beautiful pizzas in under 90sec and had wonderful leoparding on the bottom that sometimes harder for me to achieve on the saputo. i know others have has some issues with broken stones and wanted to share this as an option.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: rkfiske on December 05, 2019, 09:38:17 AM
Are you stacking the cordierite stone on top of the saputo or swapping it out?
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on December 05, 2019, 09:49:17 AM
Are you stacking the cordierite stone on top of the saputo or swapping it out?

Swapping them. Too thick to place on top. 
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Sim0ne on June 06, 2020, 04:03:04 PM
Im looking at one of these, would you guys still recommend them.

They seam to be a cheaper alternative to the adore.

Thanks
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on June 07, 2020, 01:57:14 PM
Im looking at one of these, would you guys still recommend them.

They seam to be a cheaper alternative to the adore.

Thanks

I have had mine for almost a year and I love it. I got mine with biscotti tile.i would buy again considering pizza party no longer sells to NA.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Sim0ne on June 07, 2020, 05:51:53 PM
I have had mine for almost a year and I love it. I got mine with biscotti tile.i would buy again considering pizza party no longer sells to NA.

Perfect whats the best floor for Neapolitan

Thanks
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on June 08, 2020, 09:34:09 AM
Perfect whats the best floor for Neapolitan

Thanks

The recommended floor for neapolitan pizza is the Biscotto Siciliano. This is the one I have. From what I understand, this is very similar to Biscotto Saputo that many of the Pizza Party owners use. I have never seen the Biscotto Saputo, but I can confirm the Biscotto Siciliano works great for neapolitan. I cook with floor temps between 800-900.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: TacamoTony on June 08, 2020, 02:59:46 PM
I emailed Edil Planet ([email protected]) today asking for a price quote for the Etna Gas or the Surriento (Sorrento) Gas ship to Maryland (USA). I asked for prices with Lava Stone and with Biscotto Siciliano as I'm not sure which way I'll choose as some posters here had issues with the biscotto. 

Not much (if any) info on the Surriento Gas model on the web site but it was mentioned on their facebook page.  It looks similar to the Nonno Lillo but without the chimney.  For those that ordered the Etna, did you use email or chat with them via WhatsApp?
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on June 08, 2020, 08:11:24 PM
I emailed Edil Planet ([email protected]) today asking for a price quote for the Etna Gas or the Surriento (Sorrento) Gas ship to Maryland (USA). I asked for prices with Lava Stone and with Biscotto Siciliano as I'm not sure which way I'll choose as some posters here had issues with the biscotto. 

Not much (if any) info on the Surriento Gas model on the web site but it was mentioned on their facebook page.  It looks similar to the Nonno Lillo but without the chimney.  For those that ordered the Etna, did you use email or chat with them via WhatsApp?

I started out emailing and then switched to whatsapp. At first i was hesitant to order something via paypal, but I can confirm these guys are legit and everything went smoothly for my order.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Sim0ne on June 09, 2020, 02:30:16 AM
What would you guys say the reason for choosing these over a pp adore, is it just a price thing.
Thanks
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: TacamoTony on June 09, 2020, 06:55:27 AM
What would you guys say the reason for choosing these over a pp adore, is it just a price thing.
Thanks
PizzaParty no longer will ship to North America.  So PP isn't an option for me.  Otherwise I would definitely consider it based on reviews by folks on this forum.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Roadrunner on June 09, 2020, 02:57:15 PM
What would you guys say the reason for choosing these over a pp adore, is it just a price thing.
Thanks

I have the Etna and after some issues with the biscotti which cracked (see my posts), I am relavtively happy with it after dropping a Saputo brick init.   if I had a do over, I would go with the Adore with their Saputo brick and what seems to be good customer service. it seems like a better oven (has legs for one thing) and a real Saputo brick option.  I had to seperatley buy a Saputo brick so in the end, was not that much cheaper and i would have saved myself a lot of time and effort. dont overthink it.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: TacamoTony on June 09, 2020, 06:41:37 PM
I emailed Edil Planet ([email protected]) today asking for a price quote for the Etna Gas or the Surriento (Sorrento) Gas ship to Maryland (USA). I asked for prices with Lava Stone and with Biscotto Siciliano as I'm not sure which way I'll choose as some posters here had issues with the biscotto. 

Not much (if any) info on the Surriento Gas model on the web site but it was mentioned on their facebook page.  It looks similar to the Nonno Lillo but without the chimney.  For those that ordered the Etna, did you use email or chat with them via WhatsApp?

I got a response on email this afternoon (1 day turnaround time so that is a good start). 

The price for the Surriento Gas w/ biscotto siciliano shipped to me (MD, USA) is 950 Euros. 

They advertised a 599 Euro special on their Facebook page. So that is 351 for shipping.  Thoughts from folks on the forum on the proposed shipping cost?

The Surriento is a few inches/cm wider than the Etna.  They both use the same size stone, but the burner on the Surriento doesn't overlap the stone so you get more 'usable' stone.  The Surriento appears to have small feet (4 inches?) and comes with a door (both were knocks mentioned here on the Etna). 

I'm still interested, but going over the $1k mark (after exchange rate) is a mental barrier. 
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Sulina_77 on June 09, 2020, 07:06:50 PM
Still new, and I doubt how many on the forum can actually give you an opinion. You can search a little on those having experience with the etna and nonno lillo. It looks promising but for the price you ll buy an alfa. Also the door with no chimney is a big queation mark. Though the door is intended for lower temps to cook bread and other dishes. For me, the best option is a koda sml with saputo stone. Best value for money.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: Sulina_77 on June 09, 2020, 07:10:45 PM
What would you guys say the reason for choosing these over a pp adore, is it just a price thing.
Thanks
Yes. The ardore looks fantastic but overpriced at 780 with biscotto (biscotto is even cheaper if you buy it from fornace saputo)
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: TacamoTony on June 11, 2020, 10:38:21 AM
Status update.  I emailed Edil back and asked if there were other shipping options that might be cheaper than the ~$400 US quote, but they said there weren't.  While the Surriento Gas appears to check all the boxes and is likely 'worth' the 2x cost of a Koda 16, I'm going to hold off as I'm not convinced that our once a week family pizza making really warrants such a fine oven (and added cost). 

Both times they responded to me the next day so their communication is very good. 

I'm hopeful that some of you purchase this new model from Edil and post reviews/photos!

Photo is from their Facebook page. 
Translated highlights:
100% stainless steel
40 x 40 cm hob (useful space)
550 degrees Neapolitan pizza biscotto
Stainless steel feet
Door (for slow cooking with the oven off)
Built-in 10 kw burner
NO chimney

I got a response on email this afternoon (1 day turnaround time so that is a good start). 

The price for the Surriento Gas w/ biscotto siciliano shipped to me (MD, USA) is 950 Euros. 

They advertised a 599 Euro special on their Facebook page. So that is 351 for shipping.  Thoughts from folks on the forum on the proposed shipping cost?

The Surriento is a few inches/cm wider than the Etna.  They both use the same size stone, but the burner on the Surriento doesn't overlap the stone so you get more 'usable' stone.  The Surriento appears to have small feet (4 inches?) and comes with a door (both were knocks mentioned here on the Etna). 

I'm still interested, but going over the $1k mark (after exchange rate) is a mental barrier.

Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dragonspawn on June 12, 2020, 12:21:15 PM
I would have loved to snatch one sorrinto but couldn't find any video of it in action or resulting product. They also omitted such basic information as the oven weight.
Title: Re: Etna gas oven ( Edil Planet Forni )
Post by: dasabonis on July 21, 2020, 10:14:21 AM
Hi All. Wanted to give a quick update on this oven in case anyone was considering it. I have had mine for about 8 months and it is holding up very well. Here are a couple of pizzas i made last weekend.