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Pizza Making => Chicago Style => Topic started by: Steve on September 20, 2004, 12:54:49 PM

Title: DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Steve on September 20, 2004, 12:54:49 PM
Deven (DKM) has graciously allowed me to post his Chicago style pizza recipe on the website for all to enjoy.  ;D

It's now available from the Main Menu on the website, or you can jump to it here:
http://www.pizzamaking.com/dkm_chicago.php

Please congratulate Deven on a job well done!!  8)
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: canadianbacon on September 20, 2004, 03:47:00 PM
Looks amazing Deven, and great images also - they really add to the recipe - looks SO good I want to make that tonight !
 ;D
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Pierre on September 20, 2004, 03:59:00 PM
Very nice Steve and DKM !

Great Work.... I like the inclusion of the ingredients by weight and Baker's Percentages.... :D

Keep up the good work Guys

Pierre
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Pete-zza on September 20, 2004, 07:26:50 PM
Congratulations on a job well done, DKM.

I have already made a couple of small deep-dish pizzas following a scaled-down version of the recipe, and the pizzas are now history ;D  ;D.

Peter
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: canadianbacon on September 20, 2004, 07:30:22 PM
Yes thanks for the recipe  8)

I kind of made this style of pizza tonight, I'm just finishing up
but will post some pics within the hour.
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: canadianbacon on September 20, 2004, 08:01:40 PM
I tried my best with what I had on hand.

To see the full set of images ( 19 images )
see here: http://www.sendpix.com/albums/04092016/4cg4u9ycil/

( There are 2 pages of images ) ( use tiny arrow at the top to see
the second page once you've checked out the main page ones at the bigger size )

Not a true Chicago style by any means, but I did my best, I didn't have that awesome cheese that I saw in DKM's images, and that must be amazing, I hardly had much cheese at all.  Anyway all in all ? - I'm very pleased with it ! , each slice must weight about a good pound !
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Pete-zza on September 21, 2004, 06:55:28 PM
I recently made a couple of "mini" deep-dish pizzas based on DKM's recipe posted at the Main Menu on the website.  Since DKM's recipe is based on using a 15-inch, 2 1/4-inch deep pan, and since I have a set of mini deep-dish pans that are roughly 6 1/4 inches in diameter, with a sloping side around 7/8-inch, I had to reverse engineer and downsize DKM's numbers to get to an amount of dough that I would need to make two deep-dish pizzas in my mini pans.  

Specifically. knowing that DKM's recipe produces around 36 ounces of dough and that the pan used by DKM for the dough is 15 inches in diameter and 2 1/4 inches deep, and that DKM runs the dough all the way up the side of the pan, I calculated the thickness factor (0.1274) for DKM's dough and applied it to my case.  I calculated the total surface area of my 6 1/4-inch pan, including the bottom and the side, and multiplied that number by 0.1274 to get the amount of dough that I would need for one of my mini pans.  That came to roughly 6 ounces for one pan, or roughly 12 ounces for two pans. (I'd be happy to lay out the math in greater detail or to calculate the amount of dough for any other size deep-dish pan, given the diameter and depth of the pan.  For example, I have a 12-inch, 2 1/4-inch deep pan also, and I calculated that I would need about 25 ounces of dough following DKM's recipe.)  Using DKM's baker's percentages, I calculated the amount of each ingredient I would need. (For those who are interested, I can show the math for these calculations also).  

I followed DKM's recipe as closely as I could.  The only problem I experienced was kneading in the oil in my stand mixer.  This was more of a problem of trying to knead too small an amount of dough in the mixer, and it was easily remedied by transferring the contents of the bowl to my food processor to incorporate the oil, following which I returned the dough to my mixer to finish kneading.  

Since I had two mini deep-dish pans, I decided to use slightly different ingredients.  The first pizza included the 6-in-1 tomatoes (right from the can), a little bit of Penzeys pizza seasonings, a fresh mozzarella cheese, provolone cheese, Italian sausage (raw), pepperoni, diced sweet red pepper, and freshly grated Parmigiano-Reggiano cheese.  The second pizza was nearly the same as the first one but included a deli (County Line) mozzarella cheese instead of the fresh, dried oregano and dried basil instead of the Penzeys, some crushed red pepper, and a finely diced clove of garlic.  The two pizzas were baked at the same time, but rather than putting the pans on the lowest rack of the oven as called for by the recipe, I put them on the middle rack.  I also lowered the oven temperature a bit so that the pizzas would not burn before they were baked, and I baked the pizzas for about 15 minutes total.

The results were wonderful.  As between the two pizzas, I can't say that one was any better than the other, although the pizza with the fresh garlic had a little extra zip, which I liked.  If I were to change anything, I might be inclined to mix some nice San Marzanos in with the 6-in-1 tomatoes to soften the 6-in-1's a bit.  I would also like to try adding a little bit of egg-shade or similar yellow food-grade dye to see if I can recapture the imagery I retain of the days when I lived in the Chicago area and ate the "colored" versions of Chicago deep-dish pizzas.

The photo below shows the two mini deep-dish pizzas in relation to one of the pans. The one on the left has the Penzeys seasonings and the one on the right has the dried oregano and basil, which is noticeable in the photo.

Peter
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Pete-zza on September 21, 2004, 07:11:43 PM
This photo shows the two mini deep-dish pizzas in slice form.

Peter
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: DKM on September 21, 2004, 07:13:13 PM
Hey those look good.

 ;)
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Steve on September 21, 2004, 07:19:52 PM
Awesome! Can I use your calculations on DKM's page for the different size pans?
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: canadianbacon on September 21, 2004, 07:25:26 PM
I wonder what I am doing wrong...... the dough I see here in that last image looks great also, and I can see the dough must have been as high as the top of the dish when you made that pizza, and -  the dough did NOT sink down the side of the pan.....

what the heck am I doing wrong ? whenever I try this, ( I'll get the dough up high on the edge, but after a few seconds, the dough contracts enough so the dough starts sliding down the side of the pan, and it ends up just sitting in the bottom of the pie plate  ???
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Pete-zza on September 21, 2004, 09:12:55 PM
Canadianbacon,

As I indicated in another thread, on Deven's technique, the dough I made did slide and shrink a bit.  I just let it rest for a few minutes and then continued with the pressing operation.  Also, when I started adding the ingredients, especially the cheeses and meats, I kept pressing the side of the dough up to keep it from sliding down.  The baking also caused the crust to rise above the edge of the pan due to expansion during baking.  As I indicated in the other thread, I have read that the shrinking problem can be alleviated or minimized by using shortening in the pan rather than oil.  However, I stuck with the oil since I wanted to follow DKM's recipe as closely as possible.  Otherwise, I would never know what his recipe can deliver.

Peter
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Pete-zza on September 21, 2004, 09:59:21 PM
Steve,

I'd be happy to work out the dough ball weights for different sized pans.  However, I discovered that deep-dish pans come in a wide variety of diameters and heights.  Most stacking deep-dish pans come in diameters from 6 to 18 inches with side portions 2 1/4-inches high.  Nesting deep-dish pans often have 1 1/2 to 2 inch high side portions, and some have half-size diameters.  It might make most sense to assume 2 1/4-inch sides (straight) to keep things simple.  (My mini pans are technically cutter pans, but I use them for deep-dish purposes; the math calculations work the same way in any event.)

Each of the dough ball weight calculations will also have to specify the amount of flour to be used (the 100% baker's percent figure) so that one can use the rest of the baker's percents to calculate the weights of the other ingredients.  I think that may be the easiest way to go.

I will work out the dough ball weights for pans from 6 to 18 inches in diameter and 2 1/4-inch high sides, as well as the corresponding weights of flour.  Will that be OK?

Peter
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Steve on September 22, 2004, 07:31:36 AM
Pete, that sounds great! Thanks!  ;D
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Pete-zza on September 22, 2004, 10:42:47 AM
Steve,

You will have the information, plus the methodology, later today.

Peter
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Pete-zza on September 22, 2004, 04:34:43 PM
Steve,

I have presented below the dough ball weights and flour weights for DKM's deep-dish dough recipe as scaled for use with different size deep-dish pans, from 6 to 18 inches, and assuming that the height of the side portions for all of the pans is 2 1/4 inches.  In the calculations, I made adjustment for the fact that the dough on the bottom of the pan uses up about 1/4 inch of the height of the side portion of each pan.  In doing this, I calculated a more accurate thickness factor for DKM's recipe, 0.1329, which is a fairly standard thickness for a thick crust.  

What I basically did to come up with the data presented below was to calculate the surface area of the bottom of a pan that is to be covered with dough and the surface area of the side portion for that pan that is to be covered with dough, add those two numbers together, and multiply the sum by the DKM thickness factor, 0.1329.  I came up with a simple mathematical expression to do this and reduced it further to an even simpler expression that can be handled much easier on a calculator.  That expression is

                  W = (4 + R) x Pi x R x TF,

where W is the weight of the dough ball to be used for the selected pan, R is the radius of the pan, Pi (the Greek letter) is 3.14, and TF is the thickness factor (in our case, 0.1329).   The above expression works only for pans with side portions of 2 1/4 inches in height.  If a 2 inch or 1 1/2 inch pan were to be used, the thickness factor would remain the same (as long as DKM's recipe is used), but the dough ball weights would have to be recalculated (they would go down). (I can provide the calculations in any such instance for those who are interested).

To determine the weight of flour in each of the dough ball weights I calculated, I divided the weight of each dough ball (W) by 2.05.  I calculated this number by adding the percentages (divided by 100) of all the ingredients in DKM's recipe, specifically,

1.00 (flour) + 0.611 (water) + 0.195 (cornmeal) + 0.195 (canola) + 0.014 (ADY) + 0.021 (sugar) + 0.014 (salt)

A point that should be kept in mind in using the dough weights listed below is that the bake times and other factors (oven rack positioning, etc.) will have to be adjusted just as I did when I made my mini deep-dish pizzas.

Here's the data (Steve: You may want to round out the numbers to the nearest tenth, but I will leave that up to your discretion):

  Pan Diameter          R               W           Flour Weight
          
           6 in.              3.0 in.       8.76 oz.         4.28 oz.  
           7                  3.5          10.95             5.34
           8                  4.0          13.35             6.51
           9                  4.5          15.96             7.79
          10                5.0          18.78             9.16
          11                5.5          21.80             10.64
          12                6.0          25.04             12.21
          13                6.5          28.48             13.89
          14                7.0          32.13             15.67
          15                7.5          35.99             17.56
          16                8.0          40,06             19.54
          17                8.5          44.34             21.63
          18                9.0          48.83             23.82

The flour weight numbers given above assume that users know how to use baker's percents and will thus know to multiply the flour weight by each of the other percentages of the other ingredients in DKM's recipe to get the specific weights for those other ingredients.  

Peter          

 
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Steve on September 22, 2004, 06:18:24 PM
Pete,

Thank you very much for the hard work that you've done!  :o

I'll add your information to Deven Chicago Pizza page soon.

Again, thanks... I am in awe!
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Pete-zza on September 22, 2004, 06:55:56 PM
My pleasure.  You have just seen another side of my anal nature ;D.  As they say, the devil is in the detail.  

The data also shows it isn't necessary to make a big batch of dough when you only want or need a little.  But it wouldn't be possible were it not for baker's percents, which I learned from reading the writings of the master, Tom Lehmann.  You could work backwards but you would have to collect a lot of information, put on your math hat, and act like Sherlock Holmes ;D ;D.  That's OK too.  It's part of the challenge.

Peter

Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: RoadPizza on September 23, 2004, 01:35:41 AM
This photo shows the two mini deep-dish pizzas in slice form.

Peter


Those are really beautiful.  I'm drooling right now.  They remind me of the Pizzeria Uno pizzas that I love so much.
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Steve on September 24, 2004, 01:21:59 PM
Ok, Deven, your Chicago Pizza recipe now carries the "new" theme of the website. Let me know what you think!

http://www.pizzamaking.com/dkm_chicago.php

Steve
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Randy on September 24, 2004, 01:30:45 PM
A great looking page.  I really like the fonts

Are you planning when time permits to have a link to a easy to print page with your logo locked to the recipe?

Randy
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: DKM on September 24, 2004, 02:18:59 PM
That is VERY nice, Steve!  I like the links to the larger pictures.  I also agree with Randy that a printer friendly version needs to put up if possible.

DKM
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Steve on September 24, 2004, 02:56:53 PM
The printable page... should it contain pictures?
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Pierre on September 24, 2004, 04:25:51 PM
very nice layout Steve. Like the overall looks and left and right placing of the pictures. Looks very stylish.... :D


Pierre
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: DKM on September 24, 2004, 05:32:48 PM
The printable page... should it contain pictures?

Normally it is just black and white text.

DKM
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Randy on September 26, 2004, 10:59:48 AM
For economical printing I would think text only with maybe the exception being your logo like printing a recipe on FoodNetWork.

Randy
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Steve on September 27, 2004, 03:09:27 PM
A great looking page.  I really like the fonts

Are you planning when time permits to have a link to a easy to print page with your logo locked to the recipe?

Randy

Ok, let me know if you like the printer friendly version.
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: Randy on September 27, 2004, 04:44:06 PM
Perfect!  Very fast print and the font size was easy to read and the page break from 1 to 2 offered an ideal separation between ingredients and instructions.
 8)
Randy
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: DKM on September 27, 2004, 04:57:24 PM
Looks great Steve.
Title: Re:DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: DKM on February 19, 2005, 01:22:50 PM

Here's the data (Steve: You may want to round out the numbers to the nearest tenth, but I will leave that up to your discretion):

  Pan Diameter          R               W           Flour Weight
          
           6 in.              3.0 in.       8.76 oz.         4.28 oz.  
           7                  3.5          10.95             5.34
           8                  4.0          13.35             6.51
           9                  4.5          15.96             7.79
          10                5.0          18.78             9.16
          11                5.5          21.80             10.64
          12                6.0          25.04             12.21
          13                6.5          28.48             13.89
          14                7.0          32.13             15.67
          15                7.5          35.99             17.56
          16                8.0          40,06             19.54
          17                8.5          44.34             21.63
          18                9.0          48.83             23.82


Steve, are you going to add the dough ball wieghts to the recipe page?

DKM
Title: Re: DKM's Recipe Page
Post by: BradLovesPizza on February 20, 2005, 08:33:59 AM
I thought I would try DKM's deep dish recipe using some overpriced pampered chef stoneware. Was tasty! - though I had too much crust for the pan size

Pan is 10x14 =140
DKM recommended pan size is 15" round = ~176

Brad