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Title: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: luckydutch on June 16, 2021, 12:09:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW-QqNGu5dU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW-QqNGu5dU)

Includes some nice new additions like a glass door and built-in thermometer.

It's pretty pricey though, 40% more expensive than the Koda 16 and that's before you add the gas adaptor which is sold separately.

Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Andrea on June 16, 2021, 03:32:30 PM
We ordered the Ooni Koda 16 just last month. The shipping for the new one is 15-17 weeks away, so it would probably not arrive until 2022.
The Koda16 is expected to arrive sometime in August. As much as I wanted to try and change my order, I guess I will have to live with what I have coming.
This is so hard, always something newer and better coming out ;-)
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: 9slicePie on June 21, 2021, 10:36:55 AM
I like that this has a glass door.  Would've been nice if they had one on the Ooni Koda 16.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: pvura on June 22, 2021, 09:47:54 PM
I like that this has a glass door.  Would've been nice if they had one on the Ooni Koda 16.

All the gas models are purposely sold without doors. Apparently they are designed in a way for the air to dome towards the top of the oven. When a door is placed, it ends up suffocating and blasts the door right off. The solid fueled ones apparently are designed for heat to distribute evenly until it reaches the chimney and then leaves through the top. Having used both the pellet fired models and the gas models, that is pretty accurate. With the fyra, if the door is not placed on, the heat flows through the back. When placed on, the fire corrects itself. Ive got a koda 12 and it works just fine without a door. May i ask why so many people want a door? I don't see it benefiting the bake in any way.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: dedede on June 22, 2021, 10:16:31 PM
All the gas models are purposely sold without doors. Apparently they are designed in a way for the air to dome towards the top of the oven. When a door is placed, it ends up suffocating and blasts the door right off. The solid fueled ones apparently are designed for heat to distribute evenly until it reaches the chimney and then leaves through the top. Having used both the pellet fired models and the gas models, that is pretty accurate. With the fyra, if the door is not placed on, the heat flows through the back. When placed on, the fire corrects itself. Ive got a koda 12 and it works just fine without a door. May i ask why so many people want a door? I don't see it benefiting the bake in any way.

Can you share your sources with regards to the design? I don't have any suffocation issues and haven't had my door blasted off.

Adding a door to my Koda 12 has helped get a more even temp across the stone (made the front hotter) and reduced my preheat times.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: 9slicePie on June 23, 2021, 11:17:12 AM
Can you share your sources with regards to the design? I don't have any suffocation issues and haven't had my door blasted off.

Adding a door to my Koda 12 has helped get a more even temp across the stone (made the front hotter) and reduced my preheat times.
How did you add a door?  pics?
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: dedede on June 23, 2021, 03:45:06 PM
This is from 222steel on Etsy. It was about $60. Worth it.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: 9slicePie on June 23, 2021, 04:09:49 PM
This is from 222steel on Etsy. It was about $60. Worth it.
wow!  Is there one for the Koda 16?

EDIT:  checking the website myself.... never heard about that website before.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on June 23, 2021, 07:45:55 PM
*IF* this is accurate I'll be buying one + the gas burner for sure.  This is what Ooni wrote on their site for the gas burner


The new low power cooking function enables cooking low and slow pizzas or meat dishes. When youre looking for a low-maintenance cooking experience look no further than the Ooni Karu 16 Gas Burner.


Sounds like NY bakes in this should be a breeze.  Getting a consistent lower temp in my Koda 12 is a constant struggle to this day.  It doesn't hurt that is a damn sexy looking oven either.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: pvura on June 24, 2021, 11:00:46 AM
Can you share your sources with regards to the design? I don't have any suffocation issues and haven't had my door blasted off.

Adding a door to my Koda 12 has helped get a more even temp across the stone (made the front hotter) and reduced my preheat times.

Heard in a few videos with Kristian, the CEO, mentioning it. Also heard other youtubers mentioning it. I believe I also read it on the Ooni website, under the FAQ section or manual.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: 9slicePie on June 24, 2021, 06:10:01 PM
Heard in a few videos with Kristian, the CEO, mentioning it. Also heard other youtubers mentioning it. I believe I also read it on the Ooni website, under the FAQ section or manual.

Maybe that's regarding doors that completely close off the opening of the oven?  It looks like some of these after-market doors have slits/openings in them to permit airflow.  Should that be fine to use?
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: barryvabeach on June 24, 2021, 08:52:05 PM
First,  always be very careful when modifying a gas appliance,  a mistake can result in death, not just to you , but to others.  I don't want to preach, but my suggestion is not to do something just because there is a youtube video ,  make sure you fully research it and feel comfortable you understand the issues.

That being said, we regularly discuss mods to ovens to get a better performance.  In general, propane, natural gas, or wood fired ovens need oxygen to fully combust the fuel source.  When there is an adequate supply of oxygen, and a properly maintained appliance, a gas fired appliance will give off byproducts such as water vapor and carbon dioxide - CO2,  but will not give off carbon monoxide,  CO.   That is the reason that millions of homes have open gas burners on stoves in kitchens, and that is generally very safe.   If an appliance is not well maintained, or it is not getting enough oxygen, the byproducts will also include soot and CO.  CO of course is deadly, which is why most of  the gas fired pizza ovens are not rated for indoor use at home.   Soot can clog up the burners, causing more incomplete combustion, which in turn increases the amount of soot, CO ,  and other bad byproducts.  If one puts a door on the oven, as the supply of oxygen decreases, first ,  the flame will try to come out the front of the oven searching for more oxygen .  As the supply of oxygen decreases, the flame will eventually go out.   If the pizza oven has a safety, and the safety is working properly, the gas to the burner should shut off shortly thereafter -  however - you run the risk that the gas that accumulates starts to escape, and that gas gets to a source of oxygen and a spark and goes bang.  Any of us who had a weak spark on a gas grill know the feeling - you turn on the gas, push the button the ignitor, it doesn't light, you push it again, and whoosh - a big ball of flame erupts.   

Sorry for the long explanation, but again, this can be dangerous.  So if you put a door on a pizza  oven and starve it of oxygen too much, the flame will be dirty, performance will suffer, and you run the risk of an explosion.  The new Ooni is designed to be sure that even with the door on, it has sufficient open areas to allow oxygen to reach the burner, and a chimney to exhaust the byproducts of combustion.    I can't offer any opinion on whether the doors offered by ebay and other suppliers are safe.  While I have a CO meter and a combustible gas detector,  I am not aware of a device that you can use to be sure that the door is allowing enough free passage of oxygen in, and exhaust gases out.  There is an oxygen depletion sensor that is attached to certain gas powered appliances ,  like gas logs, that shut off the burner if there is insufficient oxygen, but that doesn't give a read out, it just allows gas to flow or shuts if off. I wouldn't want to rely on a backup safety device as a primary protection ,  and I don't know if there is a detector that one could buy for home use to confirm whether the door is too restrictive or not.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: thezaman on June 25, 2021, 09:41:16 AM
 Hi, I asked ooni a few questions about the new oven. I asked about insulation and was told walls, floor, and door were all insulated. also, I asked about cooking with the door on when using the gas attachment. they replied their airflow design allows keeping the door on when cooking with gas. 
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: 9slicePie on June 25, 2021, 11:03:28 AM
barryvabeach,

thanks for that above post of yours.  It contributed to me changing my mind about getting an after-market door.


EDIT:  What are your thoughts an at least using an after-market flame guard for the Koda 16, for example?  In your opinion, should that be ok to use?
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Peter B on June 25, 2021, 11:17:00 AM
Sounds like NY bakes in this should be a breeze.  Getting a consistent lower temp in my Koda 12 is a constant struggle to this day.  It doesn't hurt that is a damn sexy looking oven either.

In for the discussion.  I am still several months away from having a yard, so I have the luxury of letting the early adopters test this newbie out.  At this point, I think I am mainly weighing this one against the Koda 16 and the Pro.  Mainly looking to do NY style, but am certainly interested in trying NP when I have an oven capable of doing it.  In other words, it is possible that I end up catching the NP bug.  I believe I would mainly be interested in cooking with gas, and the flexibility to use natural gas could be a plus with the Koda 16.  But the Karu 16 seems to have a lot of plusses that would make NYs better.

Now that is ignoring price, which I am sensitive to.  But if the Karu 16 clearly does a better job than the Koda 16, a few extra nights on my side hustle are not the end of the world.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: 9slicePie on June 25, 2021, 11:45:39 AM
a few extra nights on my side hustle

Now THIS piqued my interest  ;D
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Peter B on June 25, 2021, 12:07:34 PM
Now THIS piqued my interest  ;D

Oh - it is not that interesting.  I drive for DoorDash a few times a month.  I have been a stay-at-home Dad for a while, and wanted to make some extra money for the household and have my time to get OUT of said household.   :-D  I would prefer to do Rover, but I don't think there has been great demand since not many vacations have been taken in the last year or so - AND a lot of people working at home don't need someone to let the dog out at lunchtime.

It has been a decent enough gig for me.  It took a little while to figure out how to maximize income, and you cannot argue with the flexibility it offers. 

Now if I could parlay this money into getting a pizza oven and a pellet smoker to sell pizzas and some BBQ in the neighborhood, that would be the preverbal gravy!
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: barryvabeach on June 25, 2021, 08:31:15 PM
barryvabeach,

thanks for that above post of yours.  It contributed to me changing my mind about getting an after-market door.


EDIT:  What are your thoughts an at least using an after-market flame guard for the Koda 16, for example?  In your opinion, should that be ok to use?

I don't see any  safety issues with using a flame guard -    I don't have any opinion on whether one would work, but I hope to make one soon and do some testing.

You are more than welcome.  I meant to add two things to my soapbox box - first, when I said don't believe everything you see on the internet, I meant to include my post as well,  check other sources to see if they agreem.  Second -  I am actually playing around with a door on mine, but I am trying to be sure I am still allowing lots of airflow - meaning the door only blocks part of the opening, and I am still doing testing.  One of the doors posted above seems to have an air gap at the bottom of the door.  While I am still experimenting, I am leaving an opening all along the top and part of the left side, since the issue with the 16, IMO, is the vast difference in temps between the left rear and right front.  On a 12 inch pie, it may not be that bad, but as you get in the 14 to 15 side, the temperature differential is pretty extreme.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on July 26, 2021, 11:42:45 AM
Ooni replied to my question on a video of theirs where I asked about the temperature range for making NY's in the oven.



The Ooni Karu 16 Gas Burner has increased precision thanks to the fully insulated oven body and mounted digital thermometer. The Gas Burner, and therefore temperature, can be controlled using the dial. The digital thermometer measures the ambient temperature within the oven, and cannot be 'set' specifically but our Engineers can confirm the Karu 16 Gas Burner can consistently cook at 250C (480F) for at least an hour straight when set at a lower flame.

When using your Koda, you can achieve a low and slow technique for NY-style pizzas by pre-heating your oven/stone to the maximum heat, before turning the flame right down or completely off. The residual heat will so the low and slow work for you!



They didn't answer my question, and they linked to a video explaining their low and slow method. Which is to get the stone really hot then turn off the oven and bake the pizza, turning the fire back on for a short while, in the end to get some color on the crust and cook the cheese.  Seems okay for 1 pizza, but still a work around. And if you're making 4 or 5 NY's you're going to waste a lot of time reheating the stone between bakes.

I'm still interested in getting it, but their response to me sounds like you won't be able to get a constant lower heat with it.

Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Peter B on July 26, 2021, 04:10:45 PM
Ooni replied to my question on a video of theirs where I asked about the temperature range for making NY's in the oven.



The Ooni Karu 16 Gas Burner has increased precision thanks to the fully insulated oven body and mounted digital thermometer. The Gas Burner, and therefore temperature, can be controlled using the dial. The digital thermometer measures the ambient temperature within the oven, and cannot be 'set' specifically but our Engineers can confirm the Karu 16 Gas Burner can consistently cook at 250C (480F) for at least an hour straight when set at a lower flame.

When using your Koda, you can achieve a low and slow technique for NY-style pizzas by pre-heating your oven/stone to the maximum heat, before turning the flame right down or completely off. The residual heat will so the low and slow work for you!



They didn't answer my question, and they linked to a video explaining their low and slow method. Which is to get the stone really hot then turn off the oven and bake the pizza, turning the fire back on for a short while, in the end to get some color on the crust and cook the cheese.  Seems okay for 1 pizza, but still a work around. And if you're making 4 or 5 NY's you're going to waste a lot of time reheating the stone between bakes.

I'm still interested in getting it, but their response to me sounds like you won't be able to get a constant lower heat with it.

Are you confusing the Kari and the Koda?  Because my take from that response is that the Karu will be much easier to manage, whereas the Koda needs these hacks.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on July 26, 2021, 05:50:21 PM
Are you confusing the Kari and the Koda?  Because my take from that response is that the Karu will be much easier to manage, whereas the Koda needs these hacks.

I left the comment on a Karu 16 video they posted and specifically asked about the 16's gas attachment and if it would be suitable to bake NY style pizzas in.  I also asked around what temps to expect when the gas is set to low.  They definitely didn't want to directly answer my question, and I know they know. So until I see proof otherwise I'm assuming this oven won't be ideal for NY pizzas.

They also told me to try the low and slow method in my Koda (I told them I have a Koda 12) but if I'm making 6 pizzas that bake for 6.5 minutes each I'm imagining the waiting time between pies for the stone to get super hot again would take forever to actually get 6 pizzas done.  I'm hoping I'm wrong here, but Ooni's reply didn't instil a lot of confidence.  This is exac tly what I posted to Ooni on their Karu 16 video

Ok, the low and slow for cooking steaks and bread and stuff's awesome.  But can you easily set it for a temp around 550-600f? I want an oven I can cook NY pizzas in. As much as I love my Koda, it can be a real struggle to make any pizzas that don't cook at blistering temps.  I'm curious if you could reply to this with a bit more detail about the temperature range of the gas burner.

They also replied again saying

The Ooni Karu 16 Gas Burner has increased precision thanks to the fully insulated oven body and mounted digital thermometer. The Gas Burner, and therefore temperature, can be controlled using the dial. The digital thermometer measures the ambient temperature within the oven, and cannot be 'set' specifically but our Engineers can confirm the Karu 16 Gas Burner can consistently cook at 250C (480F) for at least an hour straight when set at a lower flame.


480f's not great for NY bakes, can you set it to 550-600f? They do say "The new low power cooking function enables cooking low and slow pizzas or meat dishes." on the Karu 16 Gas attachment webpage. But they pointed me to a much older video about low and slow.  Hope I'm wrong here, I would REALLY love to get this oven, somebody sooner or later will do a video on the gas burner and go into detail on the low power cooking hopefully. I understand they can't give exact numbers for mid range temps because gas doesn't work like that in these ovens. But I would like some confirmation that NY temps are achievable. 

I hope I'm wrong, I've been wrong many times in my life lol.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Peter B on July 26, 2021, 06:50:41 PM
I think you may be reading too much into the answer. If they had said that it can steadily cook for an hour at temps as low as 250c, would you feel better about it?  That is how I take it. Not that it can cook at 480f and >650 but not in between. But well see what the deal is when it comes out.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on July 26, 2021, 07:59:17 PM
I think you may be reading too much into the answer. If they had said that it can steadily cook for an hour at temps as low as 250c, would you feel better about it?  That is how I take it. Not that it can cook at 480f and >650 but not in between. But well see what the deal is when it comes out.

480f for an hour straight like they said is great to hear, if they had said you can get 600-650f for an hour straight, I'm pre ordering right after reading that. You're right I am reading too much into their answer, but when I specifically asked about NY temps, I know they know what I'm asking since they're pizza experts. So for them to answer by telling me you can set it to 480f and cook for an hour was frustrating.

I guess I just have to wait and find out.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Peter B on November 14, 2021, 08:51:53 AM
Just checking in to see if anyone has gotten one of these ovens yet.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on November 14, 2021, 10:57:48 PM
There's 1 review on Williams Sonoma, it's 1 star and says they waited 6 weeks and it came with the window broken, so now they have to wait even longer for more to be back in stock to get a replacement.  This is the Internet so I could easily read into 1 bad review means the Karu 16's a pile of junk and to stay far away from it. But I'm a bit more sensible than that. I know some people here will have one and be posting about it. I was SUPER close to pre-ordering, but I decided to hold off and see what others think about it first.  Unless there's some catastrophic issue with it, which I doubt. It's inevitable I'll order one sooner than later.  Right now I can barely make a full 12" pizza in my Roccbox :(

#1STWORLDPROBLEMS 
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: herlihym on November 30, 2021, 08:25:08 PM
I have the Karu 16 and used it once, so far. I am new to wood - hoped to get the gas burner that has been unavailable for a long time - but succeeded in not burning any of the 4 pizzas I cooked. I will say that the fuel tray is quite large, and can handle wood well beyond the 5-6" kindling size. I'll be trying some larger pieces in my next try on Friday. Having seen YouTube reviews and suggestions I used lump charcoal as a base fire, adding kindling for the extra heat after the temp came up to 450-500F. Pizzas were cooked between 600-750 depending upon how well I watched the fire.
No issues with the quality of the oven, and no regrets (yet)!
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Peter B on December 01, 2021, 01:11:05 PM
The gas attachment is not available?  That would kill any interest I have. What a bummer.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on December 08, 2021, 03:43:08 AM
One thing I just learned about it from a YT video is it burns 4.9lb of propane per 10 pizzas, on the same video he says his Koda 16 burns 1.3lb of propane per 10 pizzas.  That's a super massive difference.  Weird how 2 ovens from the same company that cook the same max pizzas size can have such a huge gap in propane usage.  I'm guessing my old Koda 12 used a lot less than the Koda 16. So the Karu 16 will be pretty expensive to fuel.  That's almost 4x as much propane as the Koda 16, and next to my Koda 12 would probably be 5 or maybe 6 times.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: dragonspawn on December 08, 2021, 06:56:28 AM
All gas burners are rated on kg/h. Just look at the power in kw.  3kw is 300g/h roughly.

Karu 16 burner is 7. 4kw compared to Koda 16  8.5kw. So you can expect 10% less per hour consumption.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on December 08, 2021, 10:53:52 AM
All gas burners are rated on kg/h. Just look at the power in kw.  3kw is 300g/h roughly.

Karu 16 burner is 7. 4kw compared to Koda 16  8.5kw. So you can expect 10% less per hour consumption.

Hummmm, that's what I get for trusting a person on the internet lol. I was reading up on it a bit ago because it didn't even sound possible to me it uses so much more fuel when I really started to think about it.  His video has 22k views, wonder how many people decided to buy a Koda over the Karu for this reason.


aaah, the wonderful world of the internet.  Thank you for posting this, basically I was spreading missinformation too.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: toddwheeler on January 06, 2022, 07:45:21 PM
I get my Ooni 16 Karu Oven this Saturday Supposedly.  I will let you know how it goes and take some pics.  I am going to have some the NY style dough ready when it gets here with Y'alls recipe.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Peter B on January 07, 2022, 11:49:00 AM
I get my Ooni 16 Karu Oven this Saturday Supposedly.  I will let you know how it goes and take some pics.  I am going to have some the NY style dough ready when it gets here with Y'alls recipe.

Please do keep us posted!
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on January 08, 2022, 06:13:21 PM
If you want one of these right away, Ooni has seemed to expand their presence in the U.S. and are available at a ton of retail stores right now.

Ooni sells at Best Buy, Ace Hardware, Bed Bath and beyond, Bloomingdales, Scheels, Lowes, Dick's, REI, True Value, Cost Plus, Crate & Barrel, among others. Scheel's and Ace hardware have them in stock either free shipping or to store.

Sometimes these stores will have a 10-40% off order or 1 item promotion which can save you a bit of money too.

I've also seen some models get clearanced at 50% off as well.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: spresso on January 09, 2022, 10:02:17 PM
I received our Karu 16 on December 23rd; order placed September 16th.   The propane burner was just shipped so I have not used it yet.

This is my first small pizza oven, but I cut my teeth on wood fired oven cooking with a Komodo Kamado so I know a little bit about managing a flame.  I think, like all small WFOs, the Karu 16 takes considerable attention to the firebox to keep oven temp somewhat stable for Neapolitan bakes...or anything really.   Let the flame subside and the temp drops quickly.  Over-stoke and you'll be waiting a little while for it to cool down some.   

I only have two gripes really, relative to this the Karu 16 being a small oven and <$1000:  The glass window door.   No matter what I use to start the fire, including using oak lump which burns relatively cleanly, to get the oven temp up to about 500F before putting in small dried oak pieces, the inside glass surface soots over rendering it useless during baking.   Then, after its cool and each and every time post-bake, the razor scraper comes out.  The front of the metal portion of the door is pretty much permanently coated with soot. 

The 2nd gripe:  The door is a bit of a PITA to open/close.  Its not mounted on a simple hinge but rather the door has to be lifted vertically to engage/disengage the latch system.   It seems to work OK when the oven is cold but with peel & pie in hand and trying to open the door single handedly, its just more challenging than it should be IMHO. 

I've only used it 3 times for a total of 9 pies and although the Karu 16 is capable of delivering the goods, so to speak, the fire box requires near constant attention to get bullseye results all things properly baked Neapolitan pies.   I have baked perfect Neapolitan pies in it...but looking forward to trying the propane burner which, hopefully, will make it a little more hands off in between pie bakes. 

But that door...




 
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: thezaman on January 10, 2022, 01:19:26 PM
i was hoping that the front door issue was fixed. hated that with the pro oven.one of the facebook forums mentioned starting the fire with the door opened then once you are getting a clean burn with red hot coals shut the front door. do you thing that would work?
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: spresso on January 10, 2022, 04:26:48 PM
^ Tried starting and getting the fire going with the door open but...its "6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other" dealio.   For last night's Neapolitan bake, just like each of the 3 bakes so far, I start with a clean razor-bladed inside glass door surface.   And before the first pie is baked...it looks exactly like the attached photos which were taken this morning.  Sorry for the shadows...but I think you can see the coating on the glass and upper outside area above the exterior portion of the door & glass.

There's just too much smoke getting to the glass.  Maybe if the smoke flow/chamber/flue were positioned farther back...it would help.  OTOH, lifting the door straight up to release before opening is just plain wonky (to me).

The oven is certainly capable of 'delivering the goods' all things Neapolitan pie baking.  And, I'm not sure any other oven in its general price range offers more overall bang for the buck.   But it could be better w/o increased costs at the mfg level (IMHO).

Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Peter B on January 10, 2022, 05:03:42 PM
This may be a tremendously stupid question. Is that soot issue just from coal/wood?  Or will using the gas burner likely have the same problem?
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: spresso on January 10, 2022, 06:44:00 PM
The soot you see is from using lump oak to start the fire and get the oven up to about 350-400F before adding dried oak pieces.   The propane gas burner form Ooni has been shipped and is in route.  That shouldn't leave any soot whatsoever. 

Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on January 10, 2022, 10:06:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjsCEJ8CWlg

You can see in this video which is sponsored the door is caked in soot on the inside but they took great care to clean the glass and the front.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on January 12, 2022, 12:42:08 AM
The soot you see is from using lump oak to start the fire and get the oven up to about 350-400F before adding dried oak pieces.   The propane gas burner form Ooni has been shipped and is in route.  That shouldn't leave any soot whatsoever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdQD8-sVuSg&t=287s

Watch this video. Absolutely 0 soot on the oven. And I don't think this was cleaned for the video. I believe the wood you are using was not dry or it is not a nice wood.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on January 12, 2022, 05:13:05 PM
I just can't win, I wanted to pre-order a Karu 16 about 3 months ago, but ended up ordering a Roccbox because I was sure I wouldn't be able to get the Ooni until like March. Low and behold I could have gotten one in December fairly easily. And now I'm "stuck" with this Roccbox and a measly max 12" pizza :(

#1STWORLDPROBLEMS
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on January 13, 2022, 12:07:16 AM
I just can't win, I wanted to pre-order a Karu 16 about 3 months ago, but ended up ordering a Roccbox because I was sure I wouldn't be able to get the Ooni until like March. Low and behold I could have gotten one in December fairly easily. And now I'm "stuck" with this Roccbox and a measly max 12" pizza :(

#1STWORLDPROBLEMS

Retail stores didn't get karu 16 until very recently. I noticed most retail stores that sell ooni only have the other models.

Apparently lowe's is starting to sell ooni in the stores.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Ranger5oh on January 13, 2022, 12:53:08 PM
The soot you see is from using lump oak to start the fire and get the oven up to about 350-400F before adding dried oak pieces.   The propane gas burner form Ooni has been shipped and is in route.  That shouldn't leave any soot whatsoever.

I am not having this soot issue that you are having. I have used mine several days, and I always start with lump and add some oak once it gets to 500+F. My window has stayed relatively clean and is definitely see through during baking.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on January 13, 2022, 03:26:37 PM
Watching a couple vids it looks like Prohomecooks had a slight soot issue but cleaned it. You can see his door is covered in black soot on the inside. He must have figured out what he did wrong and corrected it.

Other people seems like no issues
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on January 15, 2022, 10:38:45 PM
https://youtu.be/7j_HBl9o1hI?t=330

This guy mentions at 5:33 that when he used charcoal/wood there was no soot like he was getting when he cooked purely on wood.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: 9slicePie on January 17, 2022, 11:19:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWmhj4jFS8U
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Rainier42 on January 17, 2022, 05:53:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWmhj4jFS8U

The Dome looks great although a little pricey.  However, the company is no longer taking orders for this oven and so the Karu 16 wins on availability.  One can have the best product in the world but if you can't deliver, you lose.

Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on January 18, 2022, 04:01:28 PM
The Dome looks great although a little pricey.  However, the company is no longer taking orders for this oven and so the Karu 16 wins on availability.  One can have the best product in the world but if you can't deliver, you lose.

The Dome looks very cool, but damn pricey, and you still can't even get one lol. Gozney overcharges for everything, $50 for their IR gun which is identical to the $20 ones on Amazon.  $25 for their bench scraper which is, well a bench scraper.  Karu also wins IMHO on it being portable and still able to cook a pizza the same size as the Dome.  You're not moving the Dome by yourself unless it's on the cart with the wheels, or you're Brock Lesnar.

That said I suspect I'll have both in my backyard by the end of 2022 because I can't help myself lol. I really do like my Roccbox but I don't understand why Gozney fanboys talk about it like it's some miracle. The pizzas that come out of it aren't any different than the ones that came out of my Koda 12, which was almost $200 less.  I'd love to see the Dome at $1400. But seeing how it's sold out, and the next batch of them are already sold out. And the batch after that will probably be sold out before they even ship. I doubt Gozney feels they need to drop the price lol.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Rainier42 on January 18, 2022, 04:32:52 PM
The Dome looks very cool, but damn pricey, and you still can't even get one lol. Gozney overcharges for everything, $50 for their IR gun which is identical to the $20 ones on Amazon.  $25 for their bench scraper which is, well a bench scraper.  Karu also wins IMHO on it being portable and still able to cook a pizza the same size as the Dome.  You're not moving the Dome by yourself unless it's on the cart with the wheels, or you're Brock Lesnar.

That said I suspect I'll have both in my backyard by the end of 2022 because I can't help myself lol. I really do like my Roccbox but I don't understand why Gozney fanboys talk about it like it's some miracle. The pizzas that come out of it aren't any different than the ones that came out of my Koda 12, which was almost $200 less.  I'd love to see the Dome at $1400. But seeing how it's sold out, and the next batch of them are already sold out. And the batch after that will probably be sold out before they even ship. I doubt Gozney feels they need to drop the price lol.

Yes to everything you've said.  From the video, it does appear the Dome gives you a little more room to load/turn your pizza.  However, the finished product looks the same. 
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on January 19, 2022, 04:19:59 AM
Yes to everything you've said.  From the video, it does appear the Dome gives you a little more room to load/turn your pizza.  However, the finished product looks the same.

It seems with how big it is, they could have figured a way to make it so it could've cooked a true 18" NY pie. If any company ever releases a sub $2k gas powered pizza oven that can make an 18" it'll be a 100% buy for me.  The Dome looks gigantic and it weighs like 170lbs but unless you want to cook 2 really tiny pizzas you're going to max out at same size pizza as the Karu. I know some of the super nice brick ovens you can do an 18" and they have gas options. But I'd have to sell a kidney to be able to afford one, and maybe another body part to get the gas add-on lol.  You mention the extra space in the Dome for turning pizzas and I probably shouldn't downplay that. I went from a Koda 12 to a Roccbox, and the 1st thing I noticed was the stone was an inch smaller in the Roccbox and it was way more difficult for me to launch and turn my pizzas.

And I won't be using that video to help me decide which to buy 1st. I'm convinced Vito could make a better looking pizza in a crappy home oven than me going 100% in my Roccbox lol.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on January 19, 2022, 09:38:34 PM
The Dome looks very cool, but damn pricey, and you still can't even get one lol. Gozney overcharges for everything, $50 for their IR gun which is identical to the $20 ones on Amazon.  $25 for their bench scraper which is, well a bench scraper.  Karu also wins IMHO on it being portable and still able to cook a pizza the same size as the Dome.  You're not moving the Dome by yourself unless it's on the cart with the wheels, or you're Brock Lesnar.

That said I suspect I'll have both in my backyard by the end of 2022 because I can't help myself lol. I really do like my Roccbox but I don't understand why Gozney fanboys talk about it like it's some miracle. The pizzas that come out of it aren't any different than the ones that came out of my Koda 12, which was almost $200 less.  I'd love to see the Dome at $1400. But seeing how it's sold out, and the next batch of them are already sold out. And the batch after that will probably be sold out before they even ship. I doubt Gozney feels they need to drop the price lol.

Ooni did that too. They were reselling in the UK those solentplastics gray pizza trays at more than double the price. I don't even believe they were ooni branded.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on January 23, 2022, 06:28:19 PM
It seems with how big it is, they could have figured a way to make it so it could've cooked a true 18" NY pie. If any company ever releases a sub $2k gas powered pizza oven that can make an 18" it'll be a 100% buy for me.  The Dome looks gigantic and it weighs like 170lbs but unless you want to cook 2 really tiny pizzas you're going to max out at same size pizza as the Karu. I know some of the super nice brick ovens you can do an 18" and they have gas options. But I'd have to sell a kidney to be able to afford one, and maybe another body part to get the gas add-on lol.  You mention the extra space in the Dome for turning pizzas and I probably shouldn't downplay that. I went from a Koda 12 to a Roccbox, and the 1st thing I noticed was the stone was an inch smaller in the Roccbox and it was way more difficult for me to launch and turn my pizzas.

And I won't be using that video to help me decide which to buy 1st. I'm convinced Vito could make a better looking pizza in a crappy home oven than me going 100% in my Roccbox lol.

In order to cook a large pizza you need a large door opening. Companies either want a no door oven for ease of use or an oven with a door, and 18 inches is quite big.

The average delivery pizza is 14" so even 16" is quite big.

Places that make "NY" style outside of NY that I've eaten at across america usually don't do 18 inches even.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: spresso on February 02, 2022, 11:34:25 AM
So, the gas (propane) burner arrived a couple weeks ago and just did my 2nd bake, 9 pies total, using it.  Per a couple YouTube videos of same I was expecting it to get to Neapolitan bake temp in 20-minutes or so but, so far, it takes 45-minutes on high setting to get to 775/800F.   But the bakes were really good and much easier to manage oven temp than wood.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on February 02, 2022, 01:24:06 PM
In order to cook a large pizza you need a large door opening. Companies either want a no door oven for ease of use or an oven with a door, and 18 inches is quite big.

The average delivery pizza is 14" so even 16" is quite big.

Places that make "NY" style outside of NY that I've eaten at across america usually don't do 18 inches even.

LOL I know what I want's totally unrealistic and won't ever be made.   I think my only workaround would be to get a Karu 16 or dome, then open an 18" ball, and cut it into 6 slices. Then make individual slices and bake them each.  I love slices so big they hang a little bit off a regular sized plate.  And even a 16" pizza won't give you slices that big.  I should be able to fit maybe 3 of these slices in a Karu 16 at the same time.  I need to get a Karu 16 1st, which is on my buy list for the near future. 
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: HansB on February 02, 2022, 03:49:11 PM
Just cut it like this:

Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on February 02, 2022, 10:36:54 PM
lmao I do that all the time with my 12" pizza stone in my oven at home haha. But my stone is 12x15 so I could made oval pizzas and gotten 3 slices? I have to try now
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on February 04, 2022, 12:50:31 AM
Just cut it like this:


Whaaat the?  That's actually pretty damn genius, definitely need to try it in my Roccbox until I'm able to get my Karu 16. I bet a 16" cut like that would make absolutely ginormous slices.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on February 04, 2022, 01:06:24 AM
I'll take the edge cuts!!!
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: ptix on February 14, 2022, 06:57:41 PM
Am I seeing correctly - AP Appliances is offering the oven for a short term flash sale for $68 ???????????????????
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Essen1 on February 14, 2022, 07:29:56 PM
Am I seeing correctly - AP Appliances is offering the oven for a short term flash sale for $68 ???????????????????

Got a link to this?

I'd pull the trigger immediately
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Essen1 on February 14, 2022, 07:41:09 PM
https://www.breezeekitchen.com/products/multi-fuel-pizza-oven-bundle?fbclid=IwAR3O-GLUZySB_o42xqZESl4bWIgIV6Xybfuk-NGuy71516bxEMVlZUtYdhI&variant=3598b78a-8713-4a26-bef4-00dc4fcd2200

I really wonder if this is legit.

Looks to good to be true...and you know the saying.

The bundle sells for  $79?...🤔
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Essen1 on February 14, 2022, 07:52:13 PM
They want $9,999 for shipping! Lol

I can't post what I think of that, it's not NSFW or for kids.

My estimated order came to over $10,000!  ;D
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: ptix on February 14, 2022, 08:15:14 PM
I'm up to filling payment info and it still says $68 and free shipping - where did that price show up ?
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Essen1 on February 14, 2022, 08:42:45 PM
I'm up to filling payment info and it still says $68 and free shipping - where did that price show up ?

I put two in the cart. Just realized that it's one per customer.

My bad :-\
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Essen1 on February 14, 2022, 08:50:24 PM
You might want to wait before giving out your CC # or PayPal account

Something didn't feel right about this to me.

Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on February 15, 2022, 11:53:30 AM
I asked Ooni directly -

Quote
Hi Craig,

Thanks for reaching out, I hope youre well! My name is Courtney and I work on the Ooni Experience team.

This is not legitimate retailer, thank you for bringing this to my attention! I'm going to raise this with our team and make sure they are made aware of this site so we can shut it down.

Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any further questions or need help with anything else.

Thank you again,
Courtney 🍕✨
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: 02ebz06 on February 15, 2022, 12:06:49 PM
As the saying goes: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: rascali on February 15, 2022, 01:19:03 PM
As the saying goes: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

Aww c'mon, this is a pizza forum, everyone here hopes it's Twue, it's Twue!
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on February 16, 2022, 09:02:30 AM
It it wasn't just a total scam to steal money, it just goes to show how easy it is to source blatant counterfeit items in China. My guess is the latter. Maybe even from the same shop that makes the real ones...
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: ptix on February 20, 2022, 07:10:22 AM
Ooni is going to have to keep watching carefully - as soon as the above website was shut down, a new different one popped up.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on February 20, 2022, 04:05:29 PM
Question, I know Ooni and probably all other pizza oven makers have them manufactured in China. And I know in China companies are notorious for reselling stuff that's made for other companies, just unbranded and they only sell in China.  I was looking at a few sites like Aliexpress, and saw what looked to be a Koda 16, but for under $200.  Now I know there are also some that are clearly cheaply made knock-offs. But has anyone bought one of the ones that more than likely is ab Ooni oven, just minus the Ooni branding?  A few I was looking at, if you paid extra $$$ you could get your branding stamped on the oven.  I don't think companies can do much about this because of how laws are in China, but in the US? yeah, no. This is why I couldn't buy 1,000 of the ones that looked exactly like a Koda 16 and paid to have Redbeards Pizza Oven put on it and sell them in America without getting sued instantly.

I'm really pondering buying a $179 Koda 16 that's just missing the branding. I'm just too curious here, especially if it came from the same place in China that made the Koda it would be basically identical. Just without the fancy packaging and no warranty.   I know Ooni has to make money, but from what I'm finding it would seem their profit margin is WAY higher than I imagined.  I see the price if you buy 1,000 peices.  Ooni is probably getting the Koda 16's made for around $100, and selling them for $500. yikes lol.

Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on February 20, 2022, 05:40:35 PM
there was one of those "scam" sites selling a gozney dome for $999. Wonder if it's the same thing.

Can you link the koda 16 knockoff? I've only seen one that looks like a koda 12 and it's squareish and clearly not the same
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on February 20, 2022, 05:53:56 PM
Question, I know Ooni and probably all other pizza oven makers have them manufactured in China. And I know in China companies are notorious for reselling stuff that's made for other companies, just unbranded and they only sell in China.  I was looking at a few sites like Aliexpress, and saw what looked to be a Koda 16, but for under $200.  Now I know there are also some that are clearly cheaply made knock-offs. But has anyone bought one of the ones that more than likely is ab Ooni oven, just minus the Ooni branding?  A few I was looking at, if you paid extra $$$ you could get your branding stamped on the oven.  I don't think companies can do much about this because of how laws are in China, but in the US? yeah, no. This is why I couldn't buy 1,000 of the ones that looked exactly like a Koda 16 and paid to have Redbeards Pizza Oven put on it and sell them in America without getting sued instantly.

I'm really pondering buying a $179 Koda 16 that's just missing the branding. I'm just too curious here, especially if it came from the same place in China that made the Koda it would be basically identical. Just without the fancy packaging and no warranty.   I know Ooni has to make money, but from what I'm finding it would seem their profit margin is WAY higher than I imagined.  I see the price if you buy 1,000 peices.  Ooni is probably getting the Koda 16's made for around $100, and selling them for $500. yikes lol.

I posted the shark tank video of the bertello napoli folks. They claimed their cost fully delivered is $83 which is crazy considering the oven I believe comes with a perforated pizza peel the oven is dual-fuel with a gas burner. That's the only company I know that openly revealed their cost and its quite low. I imagine oonis costs are similar because they are built out of cost effective materials. The grade of stainless that ooni uses is not that good and tends to rust and weather easily.

Ooni spends quite a lot on advertising. I see their ads everywhere on fb

There was a promo several months back in september where REI employees could use an REI email address and promo code to buy most things on the ooni website at 40% off. That gives you an idea some of the margins. It was posted on slickdeals and it was figured out you could use a fake email you just wouldn't get a reciept or official tracking info, only text alerts.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: billg on February 21, 2022, 10:32:31 AM


The R&D costs are  what can be very high.  Once the engineering costs and machining costs are factored into the equation, in reality that $83 bucks is a lot higher.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on February 21, 2022, 06:46:33 PM

The R&D costs are  what can be very high.  Once the engineering costs and machining costs are factored into the equation, in reality that $83 bucks is a lot higher.

R&D + paying employees definitely has to be factored in, but even with those Ooni & Gozney are charging too much IMHO.  Gozney's baby sized turning peel for the Roccbox is $65.    I think I paid $49 for my 12" Ooni peel.  Would have been $10 more for the proliferated one. While there's some, but can't be too much R&D that can possibly go into making a turning peel, I paid $65 for the Gozney one because I bought a Gozney oven and I have slight OCD and like products to match lol.   Also Gozney's IR gun is $50, and it's just a relabeled Chinese one.  Which you could get all day long for $20'ish.  I understand they're in business to make money, but their markups are pretty extreme for accessories. $85 for their Rocbox pizza peel's ridiculous imho, so I guess I should feel lucky my Roccbox came with it lol.

While I have no idea what Gozney spent on R&D for the Roccbox, I think this oven could have easily been $100 cheaper and they'd still be making a ton of money.  But that's just me assuming with no knowledge of anything financial lol.   And I did buy one, so it's not like ultimately I had a problem with the price.  And before the summer I plan to buy a Karu 16 with the gas burner, which will be around $1000 after tax. Which also seems really high to me.

I paid $499 for my Masterbuilt Gravity 560 smoker with free shipping. And it had to be delivered on a freight truck because it was in a huge box and weighs like 175lbs. That's how much my Roccbox was, which is tiny and light compared to this. And the Gravity has an advanced PID with Wifi & Bluetooth and ports for 4 temp probes.  Where the Roccbox doesn't have any sort of controller, just a gas burner with a knob. I know this is apples to oranges, but how are they the same price?  Masterbuilt should make a pizza oven, I love my smoker, if they made a pizza oven that worked as well as their smokers with their pricing? I would be all over it. 
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on February 23, 2022, 09:45:58 AM
Quote
I paid $65 for the Gozney one because I bought a Gozney oven and I have slight OCD and like products to match lol.

Which is exactly why it costs $65 and not the $15 I paid for a 12" peel at a restaurant supply store. Both peels will make the exact same pizza. They did some research to find out just how much the convenience of all-in-one ordering and OCD are worth and that set the price.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on February 23, 2022, 04:06:46 PM
https://www.amazon.com/NutriChef-NCPIZOVN-Oven-Foldable-Adjustable-Regulator/dp/B09PVPKJM4/ref=sr_1_17_sspa?keywords=blackstone+pizza+oven&qid=1645650255&sr=8-17-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyNDFSMDBKWlZJUzI2JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNjgwNTE5MlRKNTZJM1NEQVVSNiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMTY0NDM2SVJDTk8zMzdGTVFOJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfbXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

Interesting a brand new koda 12 knockoff but this time on amazon. Haven't seen anything like this one on alibaba
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on February 23, 2022, 05:54:08 PM
https://www.amazon.com/NutriChef-NCPIZOVN-Oven-Foldable-Adjustable-Regulator/dp/B09PVPKJM4/ref=sr_1_17_sspa?keywords=blackstone+pizza+oven&qid=1645650255&sr=8-17-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyNDFSMDBKWlZJUzI2JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNjgwNTE5MlRKNTZJM1NEQVVSNiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMTY0NDM2SVJDTk8zMzdGTVFOJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfbXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

Interesting a brand new koda 12 knockoff but this time on amazon. Haven't seen anything like this one on alibaba

And it has an L flame, wow lol.  As for the one you asked me about, sorry I didn't bookmark it, I did go back to try and find it.  But I'm not seeing it, the ones I am seeing aren't the same I found the other day.  I probably didn't look close enough and it was more different than I thought.  The ones I'm seeing now are pretty similar but clearly not just rebranded.

If it works, can't beat the price on the one you linked, but the description says 10-15 minutes to preheat to 932f which is definitely not true. My Koda took 25 minutes, would be epic if there was one that only took 10 or 15 for sure.  One other funny obviously lost in translation thing in the description, it says the pizza stones made of Silicon. 
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on February 23, 2022, 08:41:22 PM
And it has an L flame, wow lol.  As for the one you asked me about, sorry I didn't bookmark it, I did go back to try and find it.  But I'm not seeing it, the ones I am seeing aren't the same I found the other day.  I probably didn't look close enough and it was more different than I thought.  The ones I'm seeing now are pretty similar but clearly not just rebranded.

If it works, can't beat the price on the one you linked, but the description says 10-15 minutes to preheat to 932f which is definitely not true. My Koda took 25 minutes, would be epic if there was one that only took 10 or 15 for sure.  One other funny obviously lost in translation thing in the description, it says the pizza stones made of Silicon.

They probably used an ooni picture. I see an ooni fyra picture on aliexpress. The 16" ovens on aliexpress are 13x16 so not really different than koda 12
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Essen1 on February 23, 2022, 11:03:44 PM
Anyone interested in the new Karu 16 for a whopping $88.00? And a complete bundle, no less!

https://www.fogetech.com/products/portable-pizza-oven?utm_campaign=23849984333830348&utm_adset=23849984333870348&utm_ad=23849984333950348&fbclid=IwAR0kOuW3ulG9eQ_BFq_a6YPW6nwdG9MMeaEyh09pWVwxgR-v_r0t1YM388Q&variant=26e0dda7-9277-4f68-ada7-34d1466db5bd

Don't fall for it... ;D
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on February 24, 2022, 02:16:44 AM
And it has an L flame, wow lol.  As for the one you asked me about, sorry I didn't bookmark it, I did go back to try and find it.  But I'm not seeing it, the ones I am seeing aren't the same I found the other day.  I probably didn't look close enough and it was more different than I thought.  The ones I'm seeing now are pretty similar but clearly not just rebranded.

If it works, can't beat the price on the one you linked, but the description says 10-15 minutes to preheat to 932f which is definitely not true. My Koda took 25 minutes, would be epic if there was one that only took 10 or 15 for sure.  One other funny obviously lost in translation thing in the description, it says the pizza stones made of Silicon.

10-15 minutes is possible. Look at the stone. It is made of "silicon" or whatever but it's uber thin. It's definitely not cordierite

Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: canadave on February 26, 2022, 07:24:01 PM
Just sprung for a Karu 16. Did a lot of research on it...I hope it works out :) Also ordered the natural gas burner attachment.

Are there any mods I should know about for this one? I know the Koda has a few mods people do, but haven't seen any for the Karu 16. Also....is it okay to launch a pizza into the Karu 16 with a wooden pizza peel at high temperatures, if I do it really quickly? Or do I absolutely need a metal peel?
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on February 26, 2022, 09:20:43 PM
Just sprung for a Karu 16. Did a lot of research on it...I hope it works out :) Also ordered the natural gas burner attachment.

Are there any mods I should know about for this one? I know the Koda has a few mods people do, but haven't seen any for the Karu 16. Also....is it okay to launch a pizza into the Karu 16 with a wooden pizza peel at high temperatures, if I do it really quickly? Or do I absolutely need a metal peel?

lots of people use wooden peel with neapolitans. Some feel it sticks less than the perforated ones. Most of the mods are because of the koda's weird L shaped burner and lack of door. Karu doesn't have these issues
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Essen1 on February 26, 2022, 10:19:30 PM
lots of people use wooden peel with neapolitans. Some feel it sticks less than the perforated ones. Most of the mods are because of the koda's weird L shaped burner and lack of door. Karu doesn't have these issues

Do you own a Karu 16?

If so, I'm really interested in some pics, or better yet, vids to see yours in operation.

We all might learn from it before dishing out $800.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: canadave on February 26, 2022, 10:46:28 PM
Do you own a Karu 16?

If so, I'm really interested in some pics, or better yet, vids to see yours in operation.

We all might learn from it before dishing out $800.

I was reluctant to spend the money too--it turns out there's tons of great videos showing reviews and operatino of the oven on Youtube--just search for "karu 16".
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Essen1 on February 26, 2022, 11:17:52 PM
I was reluctant to spend the money too--it turns out there's tons of great videos showing reviews and operatino of the oven on Youtube--just search for "karu 16".

I know. Seen them

I'd like to see a video from Mosabrina, and his/hers assessment of the oven.

It'll be valuable to members here that consider buying one.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on February 26, 2022, 11:37:57 PM
I know. Seen them

I'd like to see a video from Mosabrina, and his/hers assessment of the oven.

It'll be valuable to members here that consider buying one.

Sorry I do not I have an ooni pro. I have ordered one but I haven't moved into my house yet so currently am not making pizza. I've seen enough that it looks good to me. I was going to order the gozney dome but it does not drop in green on march 1st so I ended up going with the karu.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Essen1 on February 27, 2022, 12:43:41 PM
Sorry I do not I have an ooni pro. I have ordered one but I haven't moved into my house yet so currently am not making pizza. I've seen enough that it looks good to me. I was going to order the gozney dome but it does not drop in green on march 1st so I ended up going with the karu.

Let us know how it performs.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Kdejonge on February 27, 2022, 04:27:28 PM
I recently got a Karu 16 with gas attachment. Upgraded from the original Uuni so its a great update. So easy to just start and get going instead of messing around with pellets.  For the first time I did a cook with 10 pizza's and all worked out great. The only thing is that it might not get as hot as advertised, I get to 440C or so on the stone with the gas after 40 min or so. I did also get the perforated peel and that is pretty amazing too, slides like crazy.


Cannot wait for summer to start and will try wood too.

I attached some pics.

AMA :) 
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on February 27, 2022, 07:11:50 PM
I recently got a Karu 16 with gas attachment. Upgraded from the original Uuni so its a great update. So easy to just start and get going instead of messing around with pellets.  For the first time I did a cook with 10 pizza's and all worked out great. The only thing is that it might not get as hot as advertised, I get to 440C or so on the stone with the gas after 40 min or so.


I believe there is some variance with gas. On the gozney dome community some people hit over 550c with gas and some people cannot even hit 435c
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on February 27, 2022, 08:43:41 PM
I know this info's probably in at least 1 YT video, but what "low and slow" temps does this oven actually hit? I know it's not 225-250f BBQ world low and slow.  I did ask Ooni on their official Karu 16 video if I could cook NY pizzas on the low setting without having to fiddle with anything like I have to on my Koda 12. And their answer seemed a little slick with the wording which made me wonder if they were hiding something. But then I thought about how the company's from overseas and English isn't their 1st language. So maybe the wording was just a lost in translation thing on their part.  I make far more NY's than Neo's and with my Koda & Roccbox, both definitely require adjusting the gas multiple times per pizza. Which is kind of annoying to me, Not to mention even on the lowest setting, both will still burn a pizza super quick lol.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Peter B on February 27, 2022, 09:07:46 PM
I am wondering this as well.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Dave1117 on February 28, 2022, 10:48:55 AM
I have a Karu 12 multi fuel.  have used it a few times with wood, once with coal, and now that i got gas attachement a few times with gas. 

Quite frankly, I hate this oven.  I also have a Camp Chef, Italia gas oven and it makes much better and consistent pizza. 

I will keep playing with playing with the Ooni, but I am tired of undercooked bottoms and over cooked tops...  I am not new to this and it is frustrating after trying many different cooking techniques and doughs

What I would love is a larger, gas oven with burners under the stone.  Since I mostly prefer NY style, it cooks the best that way.

Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: spresso on February 28, 2022, 10:50:19 AM
Having the burner control at the rear of the oven...is stupid.  Cheap, but still stupid.

Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on February 28, 2022, 03:23:33 PM
I know this info's probably in at least 1 YT video, but what "low and slow" temps does this oven actually hit? I know it's not 225-250f BBQ world low and slow.  I did ask Ooni on their official Karu 16 video if I could cook NY pizzas on the low setting without having to fiddle with anything like I have to on my Koda 12. And their answer seemed a little slick with the wording which made me wonder if they were hiding something. But then I thought about how the company's from overseas and English isn't their 1st language. So maybe the wording was just a lost in translation thing on their part.  I make far more NY's than Neo's and with my Koda & Roccbox, both definitely require adjusting the gas multiple times per pizza. Which is kind of annoying to me, Not to mention even on the lowest setting, both will still burn a pizza super quick lol.

Pretty sure ooni is the UK now and they have a great grasp of english. The low/slow is not smooth/even heat like a deck oven is. From what I've seen the floor doesn't seem to get as hot because there's no flame rolling over.

You would have to use gas and heat up the floor before turning it down. Probably more than you normally woudl since the stone is 15mm and the heat might be sucked out after a few mins.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on February 28, 2022, 04:09:02 PM
Pretty sure ooni is the UK now and they have a great grasp of english. The low/slow is not smooth/even heat like a deck oven is. From what I've seen the floor doesn't seem to get as hot because there's no flame rolling over.

You would have to use gas and heat up the floor before turning it down. Probably more than you normally woudl since the stone is 15mm and the heat might be sucked out after a few mins.

Good info, I can't even find anyone quoting an actual temp for the low setting. I know my Koda 12 was 700'ish, which is HOT for what I was trying to do. My Roccbox is about the same. So I have to wind up turning the flame off for 4 minutes and turning it back on the end for 2 minutes to get a NY that's not burnt on the crust.  I was hoping the Karu 16 you could set it lowest and it would be in a temp range I could cook an NY without messing with the knob.  But it sounds like this oven isn't much better than what I currently have for that though so maybe I'll avoid it.  I mean it does make 16" pizzas which is definitely way bigger than any Neo I've seen. So maybe it can be finessed and just takes a lot of pratice to get there.

I really wish somebody would make an outdoor propane oven that made NY's without work arounds and extra effort.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: barryvabeach on February 28, 2022, 08:19:20 PM
I really wish somebody would make an outdoor propane oven that made NY's without work arounds and extra effort.

It is too early to be sure, but the Halo may be able to do that.   https://halo-pg.com/product/versa-16-outdoor-pizza-oven/
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on February 28, 2022, 10:36:04 PM
I really wish somebody would make an outdoor propane oven that made NY's without work arounds and extra effort.

It is too early to be sure, but the Halo may be able to do that.   https://halo-pg.com/product/versa-16-outdoor-pizza-oven/

What in the toast!  This is my 1st time seeing this but my interests are high, although it seems for only $499 you're getting too much.

16" pizza?
battery powered rotating stone?
dual flame with 1 under the stone?
the top's on a hinge and can be opened to clean the inside.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8KuB6nSPkA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8KuB6nSPkA)


Video claims 12 minutes to reach 950f, that's pretty insane if accurate.   The stone looks it might be a little on the thin side, but could be replaced. And the pic with the hinge open, there's looks to be a decent amount of space between the stone and the flame.  That + it rotates this could be a 16" oven where you can actually make a full 16" pizza without being a semi wizard. Although I've never tried launching a 16" pizza, let alone doing it onto a round stone that's the same size, so that might actually require a good amount of skill lol. And it has a built in heat shield, I know the online Pizzaiolo tend to laugh at people who use them "they're not needed just pay attention" But since adding one to my Roccbox I'm doing better in not burning the crust.   I'm still trying to finish up my pizza street vendor idea, a rotating stone would be awesome, I know people like to use a turning peel so they feel more like an authentic Pizzaiolo. But would be great if I could launch a pizza and work on prepping a 2nd not even thinking about the 1st until it's done.

Also with the 2nd flame under the stone there's probably little to no waiting for the temp to come up between bakes. And it's IR instead of an actual flame which seems like it would work great to heat the stone from the bottom. And the motor uses a D battery so it should last a good while.

I guess it might look a little cheap next to a Roccbox, but for the price, if it delivers this will  be a damn sweet buy. Thank you for posting this, I'm very very interested now. The 5 year warranty's also damn nice.   

Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Essen1 on February 28, 2022, 11:52:39 PM
What in the toast!  This is my 1st time seeing this but my interests are high, although it seems for only $499 you're getting too much.

16" pizza?
battery powered rotating stone?
dual flame with 1 under the stone?
the top's on a hinge and can be opened to clean the inside.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8KuB6nSPkA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8KuB6nSPkA)


Video claims 12 minutes to reach 950f, that's pretty insane if accurate.   The stone looks it might be a little on the thin side, but could be replaced. And the pic with the hinge open, there's looks to be a decent amount of space between the stone and the flame.  That + it rotates this could be a 16" oven where you can actually make a full 16" pizza without being a semi wizard. Although I've never tried launching a 16" pizza, let alone doing it onto a round stone that's the same size, so that might actually require a good amount of skill lol. And it has a built in heat shield, I know the online Pizzaiolo tend to laugh at people who use them "they're not needed just pay attention" But since adding one to my Roccbox I'm doing better in not burning the crust.   I'm still trying to finish up my pizza street vendor idea, a rotating stone would be awesome, I know people like to use a turning peel so they feel more like an authentic Pizzaiolo. But would be great if I could launch a pizza and work on prepping a 2nd not even thinking about the 1st until it's done.

Also with the 2nd flame under the stone there's probably little to no waiting for the temp to come up between bakes. And it's IR instead of an actual flame which seems like it would work great to heat the stone from the bottom. And the motor uses a D battery so it should last a good while.

I guess it might look a little cheap next to a Roccbox, but for the price, if it delivers this will  be a damn sweet buy. Thank you for posting this, I'm very very interested now. The 5 year warranty's also damn nice.

https://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php?topic=71943.msg700710;boardseen#new

Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: barryvabeach on March 01, 2022, 07:07:28 AM
That + it rotates this could be a 16" oven where you can actually make a full 16" pizza without being a semi wizard.

I am not a wizard, or even close, but find that unless there is something at the back that will stop the pizza, you need about an inch to and inch and a half of clearance on a rotating stone - so on a BS, with a 16 inch stone, about 14 1/2 is the max I can go - otherwise I launch too strong and part of the pie hangs off the stone at the back, or launch a little weak, and part of the pie is on the outer edge at the front. 
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on March 01, 2022, 02:34:31 PM
Ooni pro is a 17" stone and karu 16 is 16.5". Those you can probably do 15" NY easily, possibly 16. Wonder what the biggest neapolitan you can do is. Someone in the gozney dome group posted a 16" attempt with gas and it looked quite burnt on the crust.

The 16" gozney dome pizza looked decently made too so I doubt it was user error.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on March 01, 2022, 04:17:57 PM
That + it rotates this could be a 16" oven where you can actually make a full 16" pizza without being a semi wizard.

I am not a wizard, or even close, but find that unless there is something at the back that will stop the pizza, you need about an inch to and inch and a half of clearance on a rotating stone - so on a BS, with a 16 inch stone, about 14 1/2 is the max I can go - otherwise I launch too strong and part of the pie hangs off the stone at the back, or launch a little weak, and part of the pie is on the outer edge at the front.

Yeap, the Halo has a metal bracket at the back which works as a stop point for the peel/pizza so you should be able to launch a 16" without much trouble though.   Would probably still take me 3-4 sessions to get it figured out. But with basically a wall in the back so I couldn't overshoot the stone it seems almost idiot proof.  Which is right up my alley :D

Now me trying to launch a 16" on a 16" round stone that doesn't have a metal safety wall in the back? I'm guessing even 14 would be tough for me lol.

 
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: spresso on March 02, 2022, 10:01:29 AM
FWIW/FYI:  With ambient air temps around 60F, it takes about 1-1/4 hours with the flame on the highest setting, to get the floor temp to 850F on my Karu 16 using the propane burner. 

Although I typically only bake Neapolitan style pies, I would say those wanting to bake at a lower temperature ala New York style dough, won't have a problem with the propane burner set to medium-low. 

Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on March 02, 2022, 01:34:56 PM
Someone in the gozney dome group reported a 100+ degree difference in oven temp when they rearranged their workspace. I guess the dome oven has such a large opening that even the slightest wind drops the temps a lot
Title: Anyone else got a cracked rear stone on their Ooni Karu 16?
Post by: AndrewT on March 20, 2022, 12:50:19 AM
On my one, the rear stone cracked after a couple of weeks. Anyone else? Waiting for the replacement to arrive.

Title: Re: Anyone else got a cracked rear stone on their Ooni Karu 16?
Post by: mosabrina on March 20, 2022, 03:50:26 PM
On my one, the rear stone cracked after a couple of weeks. Anyone else? Waiting for the replacement to arrive.

not surprised. Gozney dome cracks when building a fire with wood and as far as I'm aware no other cordierite oven has fuel sitting on the stone. The previous ooni models did not have a stone in the back. The Cru ovens do but they are more general purpose ovens and very few have them.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on March 23, 2022, 12:12:53 AM
Saw this on reddit. Prototype ooni karu with a half glass pizza door
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mux on March 24, 2022, 11:55:04 PM
OOni Karu 16  is certainly interesting but I cannot get over the high price. And the reports of the massive heat loss due to the front door being soo large is concerning to say the least.

I think they definitely should've gone with the prototype design but with a metal deflector. Opening the door to rotate the pizza will cause such massive heat loss with the current design. It's unfortunate as every 16" oven has flaws that prevent me from purchasing.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on March 25, 2022, 12:19:05 AM
OOni Karu 16  is certainly interesting but I cannot get over the high price. And the reports of the massive heat loss due to the front door being soo large is concerning to say the least.

I think they definitely should've gone with the prototype design but with a metal deflector. Opening the door to rotate the pizza will cause such massive heat loss with the current design. It's unfortunate as every 16" oven has flaws that prevent me from purchasing.

who says there's massive heat loss? I imagine it's better than an oven with no door.

Plus the big advantage of this one is a door with gas which no other ovens offer. Plus ooni burners are like instant heat up so you should have good control of the interior temp by switching the burner on/off.

The door is just to even the front/back stone temp and to speed up heating and recharging the oven/stone. Plus you can seal the vents after a gas bake and cook other foods. Can't wait to test how the heat retention is when you seal up the vents.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: fishwater2002 on March 25, 2022, 07:11:11 AM
Im liking this oven a lot but also cant get over the price especially since I only like it due to its gas burner design. It looks like a really good flame coming only from the rear like the Koda should have been, plus add the door & ability to control draft with the flue which I think allows you to really dial in the oven temp. Maybe they will launch a gas only version at a lower price point for those of us on the fence.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on March 25, 2022, 11:06:48 AM
Im liking this oven a lot but also cant get over the price especially since I only like it due to its gas burner design. It looks like a really good flame coming only from the rear like the Koda should have been, plus add the door & ability to control draft with the flue which I think allows you to really dial in the oven temp. Maybe they will launch a gas only version at a lower price point for those of us on the fence.

That's why I'm waiting til the 31st. It seems logical that they would wait to release an oven given all the new releases happening like halo v16 and the solostove pi
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mux on April 06, 2022, 01:06:42 AM
That's why I'm waiting til the 31st. It seems logical that they would wait to release an oven given all the new releases happening like halo v16 and the solostove pi

April 31st or some later date? Why do you think they will release something around this date? I'm not sure they even need any new ovens to compete with the new offers from halo and solostove. Those offerings look poorly designed and not as capable. I would hope for a better price for a Karu 16. Perhaps an updated Koda 16 design, but I'm not sure if it would be better than the Karu 16 with gas, rather an alternative choice.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on April 06, 2022, 05:10:54 AM
Im liking this oven a lot but also cant get over the price especially since I only like it due to its gas burner design. It looks like a really good flame coming only from the rear like the Koda should have been, plus add the door & ability to control draft with the flue which I think allows you to really dial in the oven temp. Maybe they will launch a gas only version at a lower price point for those of us on the fence.

I got the gas burner for mine today, the flames are super impressive. They hug the top and roll almost to the front, neither my Koda 12 or Roccbox's flames were anywhere close to this.  And this oven absolutely dwarfs both of those, which makes the flame even more impressive to me. I know it's using like twice as much propane, but it's still a sight to behold.



April 31st or some later date? Why do you think they will release something around this date? I'm not sure they even need any new ovens to compete with the new offers from halo and solostove. Those offerings look poorly designed and not as capable. I would hope for a better price for a Karu 16. Perhaps an updated Koda 16 design, but I'm not sure if it would be better than the Karu 16 with gas, rather an alternative choice.

IMHO unless they release something really big and really expensive like Gozney's Dome. I don't see anything better than the Karu 16 from them. I just bought one, and with the gas burner it was basically $1k. Can't imagine people paying any more than that unless it's a huge stationary oven. Maybe a Frya 16, which would be a little cheaper than the Koda 16.

The Karu's definitely overpriced, for $800 they should have included the gas burner. But with that said, I still bought it. Plus the gas burner, plus their turning peel and even their overpriced 16" peel. So apparently they know what they're doing.  It's a beautiful oven and feels super solid, so maybe it was actually worth the asking price. I'd love to see a Dome competitor from them.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Kdejonge on April 07, 2022, 03:16:02 AM
I love my Karu 16. Ok I went from the earliest UUNI (with pellets) to this so massive upgrade. I can get my stone to 450C in about 40min and it stays pretty solid once hot. I did 10 pizza's in a row without a problem. Weekly pizza's with the family became so much easier and wayy better!
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on April 07, 2022, 03:46:35 AM
Anyone with a Karu 16, I have a question. I decided to Google to see how long the batteries in the thermometer last.  All I could that mentioned anything about it was the review on wired. 


So far, the only annoying thing is that the batteries on the digital thermometer need to be replaced more often than youd think, after about two weeks of cooking every other day

Of course, they made no mention of how many hours a day, but even if they were using it 4 hours a day, which would be a crazy amount. That still seems damn short for battery life.  I plan to use mine 3x a week for 3-4 hours a night. So I'm wondering if I should invest in rechargeables, or if Wired just had a faulty unit.

Maybe the battery life is bad, which is why Ooni ships it with Duracells?  I can't remember the last product I bought that didn't include crap no-name generic batteries.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mux on April 07, 2022, 10:48:26 PM
I got the gas burner for mine today, the flames are super impressive. They hug the top and roll almost to the front, neither my Koda 12 or Roccbox's flames were anywhere close to this.  And this oven absolutely dwarfs both of those, which makes the flame even more impressive to me. I know it's using like twice as much propane, but it's still a sight to behold.

Agreed out of all the ovens and price considered, even with minor flaws, the Karu 16 seems like the best option. You could have saved money by buying a generic peel from amazon. Their peels are overpriced IMO.


The Karu's definitely overpriced, for $800 they should have included the gas burner. But with that said, I still bought it. Plus the gas burner, plus their turning peel and even their overpriced 16" peel. So apparently they know what they're doing.  It's a beautiful oven and feels super solid, so maybe it was actually worth the asking price. I'd love to see a Dome competitor from them.

IMHO unless they release something really big and really expensive like Gozney's Dome. I don't see anything better than the Karu 16 from them. I just bought one, and with the gas burner it was basically $1k. Can't imagine people paying any more than that unless it's a huge stationary oven. Maybe a Frya 16, which would be a little cheaper than the Koda 16.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on April 08, 2022, 10:20:14 AM
IMHO unless they release something really big and really expensive like Gozney's Dome. I don't see anything better than the Karu 16 from them. I just bought one, and with the gas burner it was basically $1k. Can't imagine people paying any more than that unless it's a huge stationary oven. Maybe a Frya 16, which would be a little cheaper than the Koda 16.

They could maybe get away with a $150 more expensive Karu'ish oven with a rotating stone. But yeah, this is pretty much the most expensive pizza oven that's portable I could see anyone buying. And if you wanted to take it everywhere, it's not even all that portable.  It's kind of insane when I think about how much I spent on the Karu 16, then thinking about what kind of smoker that same money could buy. I know that's apples to oranges but there's no PID, no Bluetooth, no wifi, no app controlled temps.  I got a hellova lot more oven with my Masterbuilt than my Ooni. Again though apples to oranges lol.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on April 08, 2022, 08:43:04 PM
They could maybe get away with a $150 more expensive Karu'ish oven with a rotating stone. But yeah, this is pretty much the most expensive pizza oven that's portable I could see anyone buying. And if you wanted to take it everywhere, it's not even all that portable.  It's kind of insane when I think about how much I spent on the Karu 16, then thinking about what kind of smoker that same money could buy. I know that's apples to oranges but there's no PID, no Bluetooth, no wifi, no app controlled temps.  I got a hellova lot more oven with my Masterbuilt than my Ooni. Again though apples to oranges lol.

Ooni is probably making more money than many smoker brands. it would take a big retailer like costco or something to really drive the prices down. You can buy a stainless steel oven range for less than the price as a karu 16.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on April 14, 2022, 12:41:56 AM
Can someone help my So Cal public school ass figure this out. I'm looking at the oven comparison chart on Ooni's website, these are the numbers.


Karu 16
gas consumption
1.1/lb an hour


Koda 16 
gas consumption
1.3/lb an hour


Karu 16
fuel consumption
4.9lbs for 10 pizzas


Koda 16
fuel consumption
1.3lbs for 10 pizzas


Karu 16
BTU
7.3kw (25000 BTU)


Koda 16
BTU
8.49kw (29000 BTU)



So, I firstly don't understand what's the difference between fuel consumption and gas consumption. But if the Karu has lower gas consumption and lower BTU how the hell's the fuel consumption higher? And what the hell's fuel consumption? I'm seeing less BTU and less gas usage and my peabrains telling me the fuel usage can't be higher. And that's a massive amount higher to boot.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on April 14, 2022, 02:42:17 AM
Can someone help my So Cal public school ass figure this out. I'm looking at the oven comparison chart on Ooni's website, these are the numbers.


Karu 16
gas consumption
1.1/lb an hour


Koda 16 
gas consumption
1.3/lb an hour


Karu 16
fuel consumption
4.9lbs for 10 pizzas


Koda 16
fuel consumption
1.3lbs for 10 pizzas


Karu 16
BTU
7.3kw (25000 BTU)


Koda 16
BTU
8.49kw (29000 BTU)



So, I firstly don't understand what's the difference between fuel consumption and gas consumption. But if the Karu has lower gas consumption and lower BTU how the hell's the fuel consumption higher? And what the hell's fuel consumption? I'm seeing less BTU and less gas usage and my peabrains telling me the fuel usage can't be higher. And that's a massive amount higher to boot.

Karu fuel consumption is high because it's a wood oven. The 1.1lb/hr is over propane. Karu 16 is more efficient than any of the other ooni gas ovens
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Pandasbecats on April 14, 2022, 02:53:27 AM
Can someone help my So Cal public school ass figure this out. I'm looking at the oven comparison chart on Ooni's website, these are the numbers.


Karu 16
gas consumption
1.1/lb an hour


Koda 16 
gas consumption
1.3/lb an hour


Karu 16
fuel consumption
4.9lbs for 10 pizzas


Koda 16
fuel consumption
1.3lbs for 10 pizzas


Karu 16
BTU
7.3kw (25000 BTU)


Koda 16
BTU
8.49kw (29000 BTU)



So, I firstly don't understand what's the difference between fuel consumption and gas consumption. But if the Karu has lower gas consumption and lower BTU how the hell's the fuel consumption higher? And what the hell's fuel consumption? I'm seeing less BTU and less gas usage and my peabrains telling me the fuel usage can't be higher. And that's a massive amount higher to boot.

Like Mosa said, different fuel types. Wood is much less energy dense than propane so more of it is burned to create the same amount of heat.

I think its a 5 to 1 ratio for weights of wood to equivalent propane usage based on info from Pizza Party. Am Public school PNW myself so this info is for survival  :P
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on April 14, 2022, 03:58:51 AM
Karu fuel consumption is high because it's a wood oven. The 1.1lb/hr is over propane. Karu 16 is more efficient than any of the other ooni gas ovens

Ok so the fuel consumption is for wood for the Karu, since the Koda which is gas had a number there I guess it didn't register with me. Makes sense now you explained it though.

Thank you for explaining this, kind of confusing IMHO if you only notice the fuel usage it makes it appear the Karu's much less efficient than the Koda, but the number for one's wood and the other's propane. 
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on May 22, 2022, 04:24:07 PM
So, the gas (propane) burner arrived a couple weeks ago and just did my 2nd bake, 9 pies total, using it.  Per a couple YouTube videos of same I was expecting it to get to Neapolitan bake temp in 20-minutes or so but, so far, it takes 45-minutes on high setting to get to 775/800F.   But the bakes were really good and much easier to manage oven temp than wood.

Just tried my karu 16 and 45 mins was somewhere around 880-900 air temp and floor around 800 in the center. I baked 15 pizzas over 2 hrs and never adjusted the flame once or did anything. Bake times were around 75 seconds I think but only timed one I did with gold medal bread flour and I pulled that one at 60s. The balance on the bake was perfect.

Oven over gas maybe would hit 950 at max but I doubt it would get much more than that. They do advertise it hits 950f in 15 mins and I would say that would be a bad thing. They way they have it now the stone didn't seem to easily overheat and it worked well
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on May 22, 2022, 05:12:06 PM
Just tried my karu 16 and 45 mins was somewhere around 880-900 air temp and floor around 800 in the center. I baked 15 pizzas over 2 hrs and never adjusted the flame once or did anything. Bake times were around 75 seconds I think but only timed one I did with gold medal bread flour and I pulled that one at 60s. The balance on the bake was perfect.

Oven over gas maybe would hit 950 at max but I doubt it would get much more than that. They do advertise it hits 950f in 15 mins and I would say that would be a bad thing. They way they have it now the stone didn't seem to easily overheat and it worked well

Any pictures?? 
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: waltertore on May 22, 2022, 05:30:26 PM
Your fearless leader of Onni ovens, Arthur Bovino posted this on his instagram.  He bought a pan from us.  His pie is looking good 🙂  https://www.instagram.com/p/Cd2DW6FjAFN/?utm_source=ig_web_button_native_share
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on May 22, 2022, 10:08:10 PM
Any pictures??

Didn't take any I was busy painting the house and doing other stuff. I will take some next time I run it.  I made a bunch and gave some away too. My first one was good I actually tore 1 of them and left a lot of stuff on the stone. Also launched 2 of them too steep (since I was using it on the ground and didnt' have a table) so some toppings fell off and scorched.

My pizzas I would rate them maybe 5/10 and they tasted at least on better than a lot of the mediocre neapolitan places in atlanta. The deficiencies were my fault and the oven bakes quite evenly.

Only thing is ooni preheat time is definitely wrong and my numbers were pretty much exactly the same as the Got2eatpizza video where she unboxes the karu 16 burner.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on June 09, 2022, 02:57:41 PM
They released the pizza door that was posted on reddit a couple months back:

https://ooni.com/collections/accessories/products/pizza-door-for-karu-16

$99 curious if it works better than the default

Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on June 09, 2022, 05:50:52 PM
They released the pizza door that was posted on reddit a couple months back:

https://ooni.com/collections/accessories/products/pizza-door-for-karu-16

$99 curious if it works better than the default

Price is too damn high, with that said I'm curious about it. I'm not an engineer but I'm guessing the stock one I have retains heat much better than this. But since you don't have to open this, it would hold the temp much more steady.  That'a not a small opening so I want to see a video of how it compares to the stock window.  That big of a hole seems like it would let a ton of heat out and might not make much of a difference over the stock one when just left open.  I know mine loses a lot of heat when I open it, so I do have this on my radar.  Bout to go check YT maybe one of the Ooni Ambassadors already has a video of up it.  It wouldn't take much testing at all to figure out how well it works.

Them removing the handle was dumb IMHO, I understand the purpose of this is you don't need to open it to launch or turn the pizzas. But if you want to launch something that's taller than the opening I wonder if you have to remove the screws and take the whole thing off.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on June 09, 2022, 06:32:12 PM
Hard to compare them. Original door lets air in through the gaps in the door. Not sure that has any affect. This one lets air out through the bottom but temp is more consistent.

Also not sure consistent temp matters because opening the door doesn't have a huge effect on stone temp or fire, and as long as the oven has some amount of ambient heat/convection it seems fine.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mux on June 09, 2022, 10:58:48 PM
It's interesting, but is it worth the cost and without seeing the results it's hard to gauge whether it's an improvement or not?
This should cost 70$ at 100$ that's very steep for what it is, but at the same time I'm debating whether I should order one.

Any other folks care to share their thoughts on this.

It's interesting that it says it's optimized for the gas burner
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on June 10, 2022, 12:56:27 AM
It's interesting, but is it worth the cost and without seeing the results it's hard to gauge whether it's an improvement or not?
This should cost 70$ at 100$ that's very steep for what it is, but at the same time I'm debating whether I should order one.

Any other folks care to share their thoughts on this.

It's interesting that it says it's optimized for the gas burner

They say it works best with the gas burner because they designed it for high volume cooking, and they recommend the gas burner when you plan to make bunches of pizzas in a row.  By their wording, I'd say it should work fine with wood or charcoal, they are just saying this isn't intended for people who use Wood and make 1-2 pizzas and call it a night.  I do 8-10 in a go no and will be doing 24'ish in an afternoon by the end of the summer.  And I only use gas, so this might just be a good solution. I couldn't imagine the effort it would take to do 24 pizzas in a row using wood lol. Hopefully they'll have a 20% 4th of July sale and a few reviews will have already made it to YT.  $80 would be my sweet spot.   But if  the reviews are good I'd pay $100.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: 9slicePie on June 10, 2022, 10:54:29 AM
I may be missing something here, but wasn't the door one of the main luring features of this oven?
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: mosabrina on June 10, 2022, 09:58:57 PM
I may be missing something here, but wasn't the door one of the main luring features of this oven?

Yeah it is but when you open the door you have a lot of heat loss because of the big opening. Wondering if this helps anything in that regard or does the big opening in the bottom negate any savings.

One cool feature of this pizza door is the visibility you retain because it is glass.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: Quebert on June 10, 2022, 10:36:39 PM
I may be missing something here, but wasn't the door one of the main luring features of this oven?

I love the door, I do 6 minute bakes so I don't open it much. Even if this product does what they claim, IMHO it should be cheaper.  And the least Ooni can do is give a discount to Karu 16 owners lol.  I mean didn't the oven come out like October last year?

I was being sarcastic about the discount, as this only works with the Karu so nobody else would buy it.  It's VERY convenient of Ooni to release it less than a week after the 20% Memorial Day sale. Even if it wasn't quite ready. They could have put it as a pre-order.  Just a few more Ooni purchases and I'll have spent maybe as much on their accessories as I did my damn Karu 16 lol.
Title: Re: New: Ooni Karu 16 Multi-Fuel Oven
Post by: cwood on June 11, 2022, 06:44:46 AM
I don't fid the full door inconvenient, nor does it let much heat out.  When you are up to temp its so damn hot in there, I don't think that is an issue....usually trying to back off the heat rather than keep it.