Author Topic: Valoriani baby 75? (Read 6035 times)

Elchimi · « **Reply #20 on:** October 08, 2021, 08:20:01 AM »

My take is that all refractory ovens are sensitive to weather and you have to be careful with heating them up if weather is cold/rainy/snowy etc. Some
Of the companies recommend to have them under a roof or cover them whereas some can be left without much of a protection.
I don’t know if there’s a difference in the ovens susceptibility to get damaged or not.
I was quite worried about my oven, even didn’t want to buy a refractory oven because of that, but It turned out just fine to cover it between the bakes with one of these weather proof furniture covers with ventilation.

GilScales · « **Reply #21 on:** October 08, 2021, 02:35:21 PM »

Quote from: ilya_n on October 08, 2021, 07:59:03 AM

Yeah it's an outdoor oven and the shell is made out of fiberglass. The biggest concern is for the water not to get inside through the flue and if that happens you need to have a little re-curing process but all ovens are susceptible to that.

Well I could have saved money on the Zio 80 for sure, if the distributor would have had any gas options in stock I would have followed up with them on the suggestion to cover the oven in the rain and understood why, Mugnaini has the Valoriani in stock, between the two I prefer the look of the Valoriani but that's just my preference, thanks for clearing up any misconceptions I had about the Zio and all the help on info.

ilya_n · « **Reply #22 on:** October 08, 2021, 04:12:21 PM »

Quote from: GilScales on October 08, 2021, 02:35:21 PM

Well I could have saved money on the Zio 80 for sure, if the distributor would have had any gas options in stock I would have followed up with them on the suggestion to cover the oven in the rain and understood why, Mugnaini has the Valoriani in stock, between the two I prefer the look of the Valoriani but that's just my preference, thanks for clearing up any misconceptions I had about the Zio and all the help on info.

The looks of the Valoriani are non-disputable for sure. Definitely looks more stylish/modern if you will. I'm sure you will truly enjoy it for years and years to come!!!
As a side note, you will not guess who got the last white SC80

I kinda wanted a black one but the next shipment is January/February and Zio Ciro has a 20% price increase. I guess the stars aligned for me...

Coming off Forno Venetzia to ZC I'm sure I'll love it based on reviews!!! BTW, I was told that the Drago P1 burner requires at least a 1/2" natural gas pipe - you may want to check while prepping for it.
I also got this burner to gently cure the oven in. The burner arrived today - it'll definitely do the job gradually if you are interested:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0838YX4KX/?tag=pmak-20

Best of luck and many yummy pizzas!!!

Elchimi · « **Reply #23 on:** October 08, 2021, 07:27:10 PM »

All the prices go up. It’s crazy. Just read a post last week that says price up from $3000 to now $4500 on a different oven.
I’m Not surprised the Zio’s price going up as well.
Good luck with your Valoriani! It looks gorgeous and excited to see some bakes from you

GilScales · « **Reply #24 on:** October 08, 2021, 09:44:16 PM »

Quote from: ilya_n on October 08, 2021, 04:12:21 PM

The looks of the Valoriani are non-disputable for sure. Definitely looks more stylish/modern if you will. I'm sure you will truly enjoy it for years and years to come!!!
As a side note, you will not guess who got the last white SC80

I kinda wanted a black one but the next shipment is January/February and Zio Ciro has a 20% price increase. I guess the stars aligned for me...

Coming off Forno Venetzia to ZC I'm sure I'll love it based on reviews!!! BTW, I was told that the Drago P1 burner requires at least a 1/2" natural gas pipe - you may want to check while prepping for it.
I also got this burner to gently cure the oven in. The burner arrived today - it'll definitely do the job gradually if you are interested:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0838YX4KX/?tag=pmak-20

Best of luck and many yummy pizzas!!!

HAHA, that is why I am forced into buying the Valoriani! and I wanted The red one to take the place of a red Ferrari I don't have, haha, but I will settle for the white one as that is the only one left plus I was told same as you that the next ones coming are 3 months out with price increases as well.

GilScales · « **Reply #25 on:** October 20, 2021, 02:29:29 AM »

Just got home with the new baby!

barryvabeach · « **Reply #26 on:** October 20, 2021, 06:41:57 AM »

That is one nice looking oven, I am sure you can't wait to fire it up.

GilScales · « **Reply #27 on:** October 20, 2021, 12:13:58 PM »

Phase 2, getting it in the backyard, Danny's crane, they had the whole job done in 15 min. from set up to driving off, so glad I went this route!
Beside "Don't let the eyelet pull out, please don't let the eyelet pull out!" I couldn't help but think of one of my old favorite shows, Boston Legal with Denny Crane. “Don’t waste your time trying to get into my head. There's nothing there.”

GilScales · « **Reply #28 on:** October 20, 2021, 07:52:05 PM »

All set up, (Except for the gas line, still have to run that) and bought the burner recommended by ilya_n off of Amazon, put a 6" extension on it so I could keep the flex hose well out of the inside of the oven, gonna go slow on the curing just to be safe!

I just found out after traveling 470 miles with this oven on the top part of the stand and the stand secured very well in the truck that the oven was not bolted to the stand, just press fit is what the manual said, whew, glad it made it home!

Elchimi · « **Reply #29 on:** October 20, 2021, 09:03:12 PM »

Great oven. You’re gonna have a lot of fun!

scott r · « **Reply #30 on:** October 21, 2021, 11:04:03 AM »

That is the back yard king! They make incredible ovens. The owner of very famous pizzeria with a Pavesi oven was gushing to me over a mugnaini that he had used recently.

ilya_n · « **Reply #31 on:** October 21, 2021, 12:27:02 PM »

Good luck Gil!!! That's one sexXy oven!!! Enjoy in good health and post some bakes. Let me know how the curing goes. Great idea with the pipe extension!!! I will do the same.

My SC80 is stuck somewhere in Florida but hopefully will be here soon

ilya_n · « **Reply #32 on:** October 21, 2021, 03:39:04 PM »

Followed your guidance and extended the burner with 2x 6" nipples. Go figure why it's called that and why they don't sell anything longer than 6" for this size of pipe lol
Going off the specs of the oven anything shorter would leave the rubber hose on the deck which I suspect gets very hot (at least on the current stainless steel oven it does)...

Collaboration and bouncing of ideas at its best!!!

barryvabeach · « **Reply #33 on:** October 21, 2021, 08:11:42 PM »

Quote from: ilya_n on October 21, 2021, 03:39:04 PM

extended the burner with 2x 6" nipples. ... why they don't sell anything longer than 6" for this size of pipe lol

If you have a simlar need in the future, the bigger box stores typically will cut a longer section to the length you specify, and then thread the cut end. If they offer that service, you can normally see the machine right near where they have the black pipe and galvanized pipe - it looks like this https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200659545_200659545?cm_mmc=Google-pla&utm_source=Google_PLA&utm_medium=Metal%20Fabrication%20%3E%20Pipe%20%2B%20Bar%20Fabrication%20%3E%20Pipe%20Threaders&utm_campaign=Klutch&utm_content=49671&gclid=CjwKCAjwn8SLBhAyEiwAHNTJbYa39dbLMsRjAljL3WB4ekI6zZEtjdstJ_-fIlkAPwRA-HSQDcA5ixoCkWcQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

ilya_n · « **Reply #34 on:** October 21, 2021, 09:18:17 PM »

Quote from: barryvabeach on October 21, 2021, 08:11:42 PM

If you have a simlar need in the future, the bigger box stores typically will cut a longer section to the length you specify, and then thread the cut end. If they offer that service, you can normally see the machine right near where they have the black pipe and galvanized pipe - it looks like this https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200659545_200659545?cm_mmc=Google-pla&utm_source=Google_PLA&utm_medium=Metal%20Fabrication%20%3E%20Pipe%20%2B%20Bar%20Fabrication%20%3E%20Pipe%20Threaders&utm_campaign=Klutch&utm_content=49671&gclid=CjwKCAjwn8SLBhAyEiwAHNTJbYa39dbLMsRjAljL3WB4ekI6zZEtjdstJ_-fIlkAPwRA-HSQDcA5ixoCkWcQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Yeah… not my Home Depot unfortunately. The guy didn’t even know that black pipe thread identified as MIP/FIP is the same as NPT

GilScales · « **Reply #35 on:** October 21, 2021, 10:17:40 PM »

Quote from: ilya_n on October 21, 2021, 09:18:17 PM

Yeah… not my Home Depot unfortunately. The guy didn’t even know that black pipe thread identified as MIP/FIP is the same as NPT

MIP = male iron pipe
FIP = female iron pipe
NPT = national pipe thread

ilya_n · « **Reply #36 on:** October 21, 2021, 10:24:39 PM »

Quote from: GilScales on October 21, 2021, 10:17:40 PM

MIP = male iron pipe
FIP = female iron pipe
NPT = national pipe thread

Yup and fully interchangeable as in MIP with NPT male, FIP with NTP female. Basically the same tapered thread with same pitch.

GilScales · « **Reply #37 on:** October 21, 2021, 10:24:55 PM »

Quote from: barryvabeach on October 21, 2021, 08:11:42 PM

If you have a simlar need in the future, the bigger box stores typically will cut a longer section to the length you specify, and then thread the cut end. If they offer that service, you can normally see the machine right near where they have the black pipe and galvanized pipe - it looks like this https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200659545_200659545?cm_mmc=Google-pla&utm_source=Google_PLA&utm_medium=Metal%20Fabrication%20%3E%20Pipe%20%2B%20Bar%20Fabrication%20%3E%20Pipe%20Threaders&utm_campaign=Klutch&utm_content=49671&gclid=CjwKCAjwn8SLBhAyEiwAHNTJbYa39dbLMsRjAljL3WB4ekI6zZEtjdstJ_-fIlkAPwRA-HSQDcA5ixoCkWcQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

3/8” iron pipe in black or galvy is a tough one to find, 6” nipples are even lucky to get as large suppliers like Ferguson plumbing supplies did not even have that, just not much call for that size I guess?

GilScales · « **Reply #38 on:** October 21, 2021, 10:28:25 PM »

Quote from: ilya_n on October 21, 2021, 03:39:04 PM

Followed your guidance and extended the burner with 2x 6" nipples. Go figure why it's called that and why they don't sell anything longer than 6" for this size of pipe lol
Going off the specs of the oven anything shorter would leave the rubber hose on the deck which I suspect gets very hot (at least on the current stainless steel oven it does)...

Collaboration and bouncing of ideas at its best!!!

I only put the one on mine and it barely gets the hose out while burner is centered, working well though and on day 2, starting to sweat now a tiny bit with temps around 400

ilya_n · « **Reply #39 on:** October 21, 2021, 10:29:18 PM »

Quote from: GilScales on October 21, 2021, 10:24:55 PM

3/8” iron pipe in black or galvy is a tough one to find, 6” nipples are even lucky to get as large suppliers like Ferguson plumbing supplies did not even have that, just not much call for that size I guess?

I think it’s just a small enough diameter that no one runs long because of friction and pressure loss. You run as thick as possible before you have to downsize to what you actually need. I’m no plumber but with physics background so take it for what it’s worth lol

I’ve seen that longer black pipes start off 1/2 or 5/8”.