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 ...and those are only the boxes that our team and our customers can see. There are just as many (maybe more) stored in a back closet. These are boxes that came flat packed and were assembled by our team during quiet times at the shop. From the looks of it, we have A LOT of quiet time.

A little back story: about a month ago, we got the keys to the pizzeria from the founder who has had a fantastic track record over the past 12 years. She's awesome. But there are some things that we feel could be done easier, faster, and with less wasted time/effort.

The current problem: The founder insists that making boxes on the fly is too stressful during our dinner rush, and that the eyesore of the boxes is worth the ease of packing the pizzas for take out. We're not so sure. Although the giant box mountain has some charm to it, it's cluttered. And not an efficient use of the limited space that we have (about 1,000 square feet including our walk-in, prep tables, 4-table dining area, bathroom, dish pit, eat-in counter, and exposed kitchen/oven).

We're thinking of building cabinets to store 20 pre-made boxes vertically with a reach-in slot on the bottom. The boxes could be pulled out, one at a time from the bottom, almost like napkins from a dispenser. The cabinet door could be opened periodically to put more boxes into the cabinet.

What we'd really love to see is how others in tight spaces have organized their tools and supplies, especially boxes! Or do most places make their boxes on the fly? 


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Re: Our shop window is stuffed with 195 pre-made pizza boxes...
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2022, 11:17:27 PM »
Congrats on your new venture!  We are in a tiny shop and prefold all our boxes.  There are about 50 behind the counter and since covid hit we fill the dining room tables with them and do take out/patio only.  Before the pandemic we had them stacked in the hallway.  You need enough for the day.  Doing them on the fly would be way too stressful.  Pizza is a fast food model  :) 
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Re: Our shop window is stuffed with 195 pre-made pizza boxes...
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2022, 12:29:46 AM »
Congrats on your new venture!  We are in a tiny shop and prefold all our boxes.  There are about 50 behind the counter and since covid hit we fill the dining room tables with them and do take out/patio only.  Before the pandemic we had them stacked in the hallway.  You need enough for the day.  Doing them on the fly would be way too stressful.  Pizza is a fast food model  :)

Thank you so much for the info AND the pictures! It looks like you and your team have a good time getting things done. Also, Reno is one of the most beautiful places on earth. My mom grew up in Quincy and we still have lots of family in the Sierras. Gorgeous place, wonderful people.

We can hear the wisdom in having lots and lots of boxes ready to go. We do have two closet spaces that could hold quite a few pre-folds. We may experiment a bit to see how it goes to keep about 20 pre-folds of each size (16", 14", 12") in the cabinets, about 60 of our minis (10") under the cutting counter, and the rest out of sight but easily accessible.

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Re: Our shop window is stuffed with 195 pre-made pizza boxes...
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2022, 02:39:22 PM »
Thank you so much for the info AND the pictures! It looks like you and your team have a good time getting things done. Also, Reno is one of the most beautiful places on earth. My mom grew up in Quincy and we still have lots of family in the Sierras. Gorgeous place, wonderful people.

We can hear the wisdom in having lots and lots of boxes ready to go. We do have two closet spaces that could hold quite a few pre-folds. We may experiment a bit to see how it goes to keep about 20 pre-folds of each size (16", 14", 12") in the cabinets, about 60 of our minis (10") under the cutting counter, and the rest out of sight but easily accessible.

That is nice you remember Reno as a nice place.  Most people think of it as downtown.  My wife went to Feather River College for a bit in the 70's.  It is a lovely place to live when there are no fires.  Today we are getting a bit of smoke and the last couple summers have been brutal.  I grew up in NJ and the summer humidity was rough but fires are worse.  I would keep as many boxes as you have pizza for sale for the day.  Boxes are like any prep item in that if you run out during service it can get real stressful. 

What is the name of your pizzeria?

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Re: Our shop window is stuffed with 195 pre-made pizza boxes...
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2022, 11:13:05 PM »
That is nice you remember Reno as a nice place.  Most people think of it as downtown.  My wife went to Feather River College for a bit in the 70's.  It is a lovely place to live when there are no fires.  Today we are getting a bit of smoke and the last couple summers have been brutal.  I grew up in NJ and the summer humidity was rough but fires are worse.  I would keep as many boxes as you have pizza for sale for the day.  Boxes are like any prep item in that if you run out during service it can get real stressful. 

What is the name of your pizzeria?

We're Peace of Pie Pizzeria. Our shop is deeply devoted to all things Woodstock '69, groovy vibes, and peace & love. It's pretty cool! We listen to folk and rock music from the late 60's and 70's while we work. We dig it.

We have wonderful memories of Feather River Canyon. Sounds like things have gotten really tough out there. So sorry! Living in a place where air quality and emergency evacuations are a regular threat must be very challenging. Hats off to you for making it work.

We rearranged the shop today and were able to tuck away 6 services worth of boxes--I think. I have to say "I think" because the founder has done everything in a very old school, big picture way. She has tremendous intuition but the granular details of the pizzeria are largely unknown: menu cost, ingredient cost, units sold. Until now, all of our tickets have been handwritten. There's been very little tracking of actual items sold. We're remedying that with a POS system shortly.

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Re: Our shop window is stuffed with 195 pre-made pizza boxes...
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2022, 11:23:34 PM »
We're Peace of Pie Pizzeria. Our shop is deeply devoted to all things Woodstock '69, groovy vibes, and peace & love. It's pretty cool! We listen to folk and rock music from the late 60's and 70's while we work. We dig it.

We have wonderful memories of Feather River Canyon. Sounds like things have gotten really tough out there. So sorry! Living in a place where air quality and emergency evacuations are a regular threat must be very challenging. Hats off to you for making it work.

We rearranged the shop today and were able to tuck away 6 services worth of boxes--I think. I have to say "I think" because the founder has done everything in a very old school, big picture way. She has tremendous intuition but the granular details of the pizzeria are largely unknown: menu cost, ingredient cost, units sold. Until now, all of our tickets have been handwritten. There's been very little tracking of actual items sold. We're remedying that with a POS system shortly.

Sounds like a cool shop!  My cousin came by our house and wanted to take me with him to Woodstock but my father said no way.  I was 12 years old and so pissed but such is life...  I played music around the world for 20 years. Jimmy Carl Black, Frank Zappa and the MOI drummer, played with me on and off for 8 years.  I can't imagine taking over an existing shop.  We are old school as well, using paper and pencil tickets, but I do know we operate at a 50% profit margin with less than $10 in food waste a week:)  Judy and I spent the day at Lake Tahoe. Very spiritual and grounding -no smoke today. 
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Re: Our shop window is stuffed with 195 pre-made pizza boxes...
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2022, 01:11:48 AM »
I never did understand pre-boxing.  It takes a few seconds to make the box and it takes a few seconds to open the box. So what’s the difference.

No pre made box

Grab flat box, place rested pizza in box, cut, fold box

Pre made box

Someone makes the box
Grab box, open box that someone made ( just handled the box twice ) place rested pizza in box, cut and once again refold box. 

The box is made, un-made, then re-made handling the box 3 times.  Or do it once.

Opening the box is just as fast as making the box.

Then you got to store hundred of boxes, takes up a ton of space and also retains heat, you can create hot zones in the kitchen depending on where they are stacked.  OR keep hundreds nice and flat and stored under a single table or elevated over a table.

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Re: Our shop window is stuffed with 195 pre-made pizza boxes...
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2022, 01:35:01 PM »
When folding boxes there is always bits of cardboard that litters the table and floor... I don't want that in the fresh pizza we just made... we pre fold to minimize this

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Re: Our shop window is stuffed with 195 pre-made pizza boxes...
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2022, 08:44:23 PM »
I can't imagine folding boxes to order - there's no time (or place) to do that.  You need to have boxes at the ready, within reach of the cutting station.  No one is mentioning the wax paper or liners that go in the boxes - all of this is a process.  I don't want my oven guy or expediter making boxes as well - there's way to much going on.

We stik boxes anywhere and everywhere we can - cause we're gonna use them all...

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Re: Our shop window is stuffed with 195 pre-made pizza boxes...
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2022, 12:08:41 AM »
I never did understand pre-boxing.  It takes a few seconds to make the box and it takes a few seconds to open the box. So what’s the difference.

No pre made box

Grab flat box, place rested pizza in box, cut, fold box

Pre made box

Someone makes the box
Grab box, open box that someone made ( just handled the box twice ) place rested pizza in box, cut and once again refold box. 

The box is made, un-made, then re-made handling the box 3 times.  Or do it once.

Opening the box is just as fast as making the box.

Then you got to store hundred of boxes, takes up a ton of space and also retains heat, you can create hot zones in the kitchen depending on where they are stacked.  OR keep hundreds nice and flat and stored under a single table or elevated over a table.

We have literally never thought of it this way. Being able to cut without four box walls in the way would be magnificent as well. We may have to give this a try, though our cutting table may be a bit shallow. I sense a trial run of boxing on the fly in our future. Thanks so much for the input! Very valuable.

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Re: Our shop window is stuffed with 195 pre-made pizza boxes...
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2022, 12:13:11 AM »
I can't imagine folding boxes to order - there's no time (or place) to do that.  You need to have boxes at the ready, within reach of the cutting station.  No one is mentioning the wax paper or liners that go in the boxes - all of this is a process.  I don't want my oven guy or expediter making boxes as well - there's way to much going on.

We stik boxes anywhere and everywhere we can - cause we're gonna use them all...



Wax paper and liners?  ??? Tell me more!

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