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Title: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Nathan on March 30, 2005, 05:33:12 PM
Hey I finally found a source for these. When I originally emailed the company I thought a friend of mine wanted one too so I only asked about buying 100#.  I'm hoping shipping one 50# will be half of what they quoted me but here's their reply:

 Your current price on the Sir Lancelot flour is 15.70 per 50lb. bag. The estimate on shipping for 100lb. is $31.60.
We can ship this product directly to you within 4-5 days, please let me know if you want to place an order.   8) ;D
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: snowdy on March 31, 2005, 04:23:13 AM
nathan, post the source if you can

thanks man!  8)
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Nathan on March 31, 2005, 04:29:12 AM
This is the place:  http://www.dutchvalleyfoods.com   ;)

http://www.dutchvalleyfoods.com/food/ItemDetail.aspx/ItemID/de5f0c58-1d4c-4e1c-adb9-9746df49e58f

I tried posting this link with Tinyurl but it's not working half the time so I switced it back...
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: vitoduke on March 31, 2005, 08:12:15 AM
I just got a 50 pound bag of KASL from Arizona. The company is Food Source --Phone 888-889-9282--Ask for Allan or Wes. I think the shipping was about $20.00     to northern California.   Thanks ---Mel
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: davtrent on March 31, 2005, 05:05:24 PM
Thanks for the link to www.dutchvalleyfoods.com.  I requested a price quote for one,  50 pound bag of KA Sir Lancelot hi-gluten flour.  Their customer service manager promptly responded with a quote of $15.70 for the flour and an estimated shipping charge of $15.00 (from PA to NC)... for a total of $30.70.   

I checked the delivered price of ten, five-pound bags of KASL from www.bakerscatalogue.com and got a total of $55.34; nearly $25.00 more than Dutch Valley Foods! 

I also looked at the King Arthur sales portal on Amazon (as reported on another thread) to see how prices differed.   The Amazon site offered ten, five-pound bags of KASL for $57.00.   The shipping charges are structured differently through Amazon-- $4.50 per order PLUS 35 cents per pound.  This turned out to be a more expensive option for me than ordering from The Baker's Catalogue.  However, if you live in the deep South or west of the Mississippi, it may be slightly cheaper to go the Amazon route.   (Note that the Amazon site also does not give a 25 cent discount if multiple five-pound bags are purchased).

While using the Baker's Catalogue online ordering calculator,  I discovered that orders of 57 bags (285 lbs.) or more seem to be shipped free.  I haven't confirmed this with the folks at King Arthur--- it may just be a glitch in their calculator.   Ordering 56 bags would cost me $293.36 but if I ordered "just one more bag" (words of a desperate KASL junkie)  ;)   my total would drop to $185.25 because of the apparent elimination of shipping charges.   

If the 57 bag/ free ship policy is, in fact, a policy, then pizzamaking.com forum members within driving range of each other might be able to work something out.  A sort by member's geographical location would be useful.

Regards,

David
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: wayno on March 31, 2005, 07:25:31 PM
The best option for getting KASL is to contact a distributor in your region (list available at King Arthur website SEE BELOW) and ask the distributor if they supply KASL to any customers in your area. If so, ask them for the names, location and phone number of those customers.  Then contact the customer and ask if you can buy from them direct at their cost.  This way you avoid all those high shipping charges (assuming you are willing to drive to the restaurant).

This is the URL for the bakers site:
http://www.kingarthurflour.com/flour/where.php

Use the drop down menu on the LEFT and find your state.

Wayno
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Nathan on April 20, 2005, 06:31:53 PM
I got the flour today.  They weren't too clear on shipping when I ordered it.  It ended up being 37.24 total shipped (15.70 for the flour and 21.54 shipping).  I just rechecked The Bakers Catalogue and it would have been 55.34 from them.  So I saved 18.10.  :-\

Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Pete-zza on August 25, 2005, 04:31:05 PM
Hallelujah!! In the arid culinary pizza desert known as the Dallas Metroplex, I was able to locate a source of 50-lb. bags of King Arthur Sir Lancelot (KASL) flour. So, at least for now, and for KASL, it’s sayonara to King Arthur in Vermont. And for all this, I owe a debt of gratitude to fellow member Wayno.

In an earlier post in this thread, Wayno had recommended that members go to the King Arthur Professional website and look for a local distributor or user of the King Arthur flours, using the pull-down search tool at the KA Professional site at http://www.kingarthurflour.com/professional/where.php. I found no foodservice distributor in the Dallas area, but I did find a local bakery products distributor, Dawn Food Products, in Garland, TX, just east of Dallas.

I called Dawn and asked if they carried the KASL in 50-lb. bags, and, if so, would they sell me a bag on a cash-and-carry basis. The answer was yes to both questions but I was told that if I intended to purchase on more than just one occasion, no matter how far spaced apart, they would require that I complete an application form to set up an account in their computers. Doing this would also allow me to pay for future purchases by check or credit card. I asked that they send me an application form along with a list of their products so that I could look over the products list to see if I might want to purchase additional items. I received the application, completed it, and called Dawn today to place an order for one 50-lb. bag of KASL. I had been told earlier that I would have to give them 2-day’s notice but the customer service person I spoke with this morning said that I could pick up the flour today. Which I did. I showed up at the Garland location with the completed application form and cash in hand.

The cost for the 50-lb. bag of KASL was $12.92 (no sales tax either). By contrast, to buy the same amount of KASL from KA in 3-lb. bags, the cost, including shipping the cheapest way, would be over $80.00. Put another way, the $12.92 would get me one 3-lb. bag (including shipping) of KASL from KA in Vermont.

One of the good things about Dawn is that it has manufacturing, distribution and affiliated entities in several states across the country. Also, when I first called Dawn I was told that all of their distributor locations do offer a cash-and-carry option. Since this may not be entirely true, it pays to check with the nearest distributor. The location map and pull-down menu at the Dawn site, at http://www.dawnfoods.com/?http://www.dawnfoods.com/locations/usa/texas.html, provides a list of all Dawn locations. I was also told that Dawn (at least the Garland location) might ship to buyers within the particular service area (which includes parts of Oklahoma in the case of Dawn in Garland), if the buyer calls to make the necessary arrangements and pays the UPS or similar charges. This practice may also vary from location to location, so it is a good idea to call ahead to see whether that is an available option.

FWIW, Dawn also carries other flour products, including flours from ConAgra, General Mills and Baystate Milling. Other KA flours offered at Dawn/Garland include the KA Special Patent flour, Sir Galahad, and Big-O high-gluten organic flour. Each Dawn location may not carry the same inventory, so it pays to ask or have a products listing mailed out. The bulk of the Dawn products are for pastry and bread products. There are other ingredients that can be used for pizza production, but they are specialty items (e.g., vital wheat gluten, yeast, dried milk products, PZ-44, etc.) and in large package sizes (typically around 50 lbs.)

For the Dallas Metroplex forum members (or those in the Garland serving area), the Dawn/Garland facility is at 3353 Miller Park S., #100, Garland, TX. 75042. Their telephone number is 1-800-442-9713 (or 972-485-8004, if the 800 number is in-state only). It’s easy to get to their facility. Take 635 (LBJ) to Exit no. 13 to Jupiter Rd (past Kingsley). Take a left on Jupiter Rd. and continue for about 7 traffic lights, to Miller Park (not Miller Rd., which is before Miller Park). Take a right on Miller Park and continue to the circle, and go around the circle almost all the way. Dawn Foods is to the right, with the office to the left of the loading docks.

Peter
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Randy on August 25, 2005, 04:58:43 PM
The Dawn distributer in Atlanta first told me yes but when I went a couple of weeks latter with cash in hand they said no.
When Sams sold high gluten flour in 50 pound bags I would separate it into 10, five pound bags and added a dry bay leaf to each bag to stop the bugs.
Randy
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Snowman on August 25, 2005, 09:03:53 PM
Pete--- cool deal.  Do they carry any single #10 cans of any of the good 'maters (toe-maters, that is).  They're gonna hate you when all of us (we want one bag of this and one can of that) start calling :). 
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Pete-zza on August 25, 2005, 09:27:17 PM
Snowman,

I was hoping that Dawn carried other pizza products, like Escalon and Stanislaus tomatoes, Grande cheese, etc. But when I saw their product list, it was clear that they deal mostly in bakery items for the bakery trade. I was grateful that they carried the KASL. While I was waiting for the KASL, I saw several other people show up to pick up items. I hope that other members in the Dallas Metroplex will benefit from the local Dawn connection. I told the gals I spoke with at Dawn that I was going to let others know of the cash-and-carry policy and to expect others to call just as I did.

What is interesting about the KASL from Dawn is that the KASL cost me about $0.26/lb. I don't know Dawn's markup, but with their profit, and KA's profit, and the profit for the miller KA uses, the base cost of a 50 lb. bag of the KASL has to be extremely low. And the price I paid presumably includes my pro rata share of all the shipping costs. The poor wheat farmer must make next to nothing.

I suspect there are foodservice companies in the area that sell the other pizza products. The challenge is to find them and hope that they sell to people such as ourselves.

Peter
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: PizzaBrewer on August 26, 2005, 12:14:04 AM
The cost for the 50-lb. bag of KASL was $12.92 (no sales tax either).

That's an extremely good price.  The 50 lb. bag I picked up at the King Arthur store in Norwich cost about  $18 plus tax.

---Guy
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: scott r on August 28, 2005, 04:14:18 AM
It costs 11-14 up here in Boston.
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Steve on September 12, 2005, 10:07:10 AM
That's great, Peter!

I still have a 50 pound bag (unopened!) of Sir Lancelot sitting in my pantry thanks to Wayno! I'm embarrassed to say, but I have not made a single pizza this summer. It seems that I've been busy or out of town all summer long! Now that it's getting cooler outside and things are slowing down with the kids back in school, I'll be able to get back on track!  :)
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Pete-zza on September 12, 2005, 04:20:27 PM
Another possibility for locating a source of 50-lb. bags of KASL is to call Dutch Valley, which is mentioned above in this thread, and speak to a customer service rep. I did this recently and was told that they will try to match buyers with sources in their areas that apparently take delivery from Dutch Valley. To do this, Dutch Valley needs to know where one lives and the product (e.g., KASL) in question. I had already located a local source for myself when I spoke with Dutch Valley, but for anyone else looking for a local source of the KASL (or any other KA flour or product), it may be worth inquiring. The Dutch Valley telephone number is 717-933-4191.

I also discovered that even if a distributor, such as those identified in the King Arthur professional section of their website, doesn't sell to the public, if you ask nicely they will often tell you how you might find a source, such as customers (restaurants, pizzerias, etc.) who buy from them.

Peter
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Brandon on September 20, 2005, 02:14:35 PM
I just got my KASL today and I feel like I've found the holy grail of pizza making.  I knew I could go online, and I even contacted Dutch Valley to get the shipping quote, but I didn't want to pay $30+ if I didn't have to, so I kept calling around.  The local mom-n-pop bakery acted like they were going to help me, but after a few calls, the guy I needed never called back, so I gave up on them.

Then one day my wife sent me by a cake decorating shop to pick up some frilly whatevers for a baby shower cake, and the lady there said she would look into it and call me back.  Well, a week later she hadn't called, but when I called her she said "Oh, I can get it for you in a week or so, but call Marty, he probably has it in stock right now".  So I call Marty yesterday and he's got a start-up food distributor service, and he says "no problem" and now I've got 50 pounds of pizza perfection in my personal possession! 

When I get to Marty's place (which is like a small warehouse), of course he's not there, and there's only an older lady there to help me.  So she gives me the flour and I try to pay her, and she says she doesn't know what it costs and tells me to just take it and come back and pay later.  I think Marty told me $11.88 on the phone yesterday but I wasn't sure.  She didn't have change, and I didn't have a check (they don't take credit cards).  I did leave my name and address and promised to bring a check the next day.

Then as I'm leaving the place, feeling like I'm practicaly stealing from these great people, I see the sign for Grande Cheese on the wall.  I ask her about it and it turns out they're not just a food distributor, they specialize in pizza parlors.  Of couse they won't break a case of Grande Cheese, and I have no idea how much a case is or what it would cost.  And I completely forgot to ask about tomato sauce.

So everything fell right into place for me and I can't wait to make a good and chewy pizza crust.  If anyone's is in central North Carolina and wants some pizza goodies, look up KDL Foods in Winston-Salem or PM me an I'll be happy to give you a phone number.
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Brandon on September 20, 2005, 04:02:10 PM
An addendum to my post right above:

I talked with Marty the owner again.  He said that it was going to be trouble to get with his accountant and figure out how to bill me (since I'm not a business) and for me just to keep the flour and enjoy it.  I tried to offer to pay him cash for his trouble, but he kept telling me not to worry about it.  So while I just got my KASL for free (beat that price!) I feel like they'll probably not deal with the public from this point on.  Whoops, hate to have ruined it for everyone else! However I feel sure, since they're such nice people there, they'd give me the names of some of the places that they distribute to and I could try and buy a bag from a local pizza shop.

The moral of the story, is that if you keep asking around, you can find your KASL.  There's too many pizza joints in this country, and too many folks wanting to make a buck, that someone will surely part with a bag if you've got cash in hand.
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Brandon on September 21, 2005, 12:28:34 PM
@ giambra

When I was talking to Dutch Valley foods about getting some KASL, they told me about a place in Durham that had it.  Now that's 2 hours away from me, so I had to find my KASL elsewhere, but if you're looking for some, a Dutch Valley sales person should be able to hook you up locally.
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: PizzaBrewer on September 21, 2005, 12:34:18 PM
Brandon:  Try to convince Marty to open a cash-and-carry.  There's a pizza supply place near me that has one and it's fantastic.  All kinds of great stuff at wholesale prices.  No SL flour, though, and they also won't break open a case of Grande.  A case is either 8 loaves at approx. 7 lbs. per loaf, or six 5-lb. bags of shredded.

They will break open a case of Polly-O, I buy a loaf for about $2 per pound.

---Guy
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: scott r on September 21, 2005, 01:17:27 PM
poly-o is really good cheese if you blend it with some flavor cheeses.  It is quite mild, but I think you will really like it.
Title: Re: 50# Bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: pam on September 21, 2005, 05:57:38 PM
When I was talking to Dutch Valley foods about getting some KASL, they told me about a place in Durham that had it.
KASL available in Durham? Do you remember where? Anyone interested in splitting a 50# bag?
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Brandon on September 22, 2005, 10:53:08 AM
I dont' remember where, it sounded like a pastry shop or something, with a female name in it.  "Lisa's Bakery Delights" or something like that mabey.  The folks at Dutch Valley would tell you I'm sure.  Use their online contact form, leave your phone number and someone will call in a few days.
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Wallman on November 22, 2005, 12:45:51 PM
I tried a local distributer and they were reluctant to sell directly to me and the customer they suggested purchasing through didn't answer their phone. 

So I tried Dutch Valley Food Distributors.  They will sell King Arthur flours directly to consumers.   Their price list for King Arthur flour and their sales policy is below.  You can pick it up at their facility in Myerstown, PA or they will ship.   To get a 50 lb bag to my home in Northern VA is $10.50 shipping and $15.44 for the flour, seems pretty reasonable. 

Contact for Dutch Valley is Burnell Martin, Customer Service Manager; 800-733-4191 Ext. 2319; [email protected] ; http://www.dutchvalleyfoods.com  (http://www.dutchvalleyfoods.com).

They will send you a 213 page price list of their products if you really want to stock up on staples!

Dutch Valley Food Distributors

PRODUCT CODE 142 KING ARTHUR FLOUR
142 050 __!__!__!__!__!__! 50lb King Arthur Special Flour 14.45 EA 0.29 LB
142 053 __!__!__!__!__!__! 50lb Sir Lancelot Hi-Gluten Flour 15.44 EA 0.31 LB
142 056 __!__!__!__!__!__! 50lb Sir Galahad Artisan (Unbleached All Purpose) 14.30 EA 0.29 LB
142 059 __!__!__!__!__!__! 50lb Flour, White Whole Wheat 17.33 EA 0.35 LB
----------- ORGANIC ----------
142 100 __!__!__!__!__!__! 50lb Flour, Whole Wheat Organic 25.69 EA 0.51 LB
142 105 __!__!__!__!__!__! 50lb Flour, Artisan Select Organic 26.63 EA 0.54 LB


HOME USE AND CO-OP SALES & SERVICE POLICY

OFFICE HOURS - 7:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M. (Eastern Standard Time) -- Monday through Friday.
Customers may pick up orders between the hours of 7:30 A.M. to 4:30 P.M. Voice mail options
are available after office hours.

ORDERS – In order to efficiently process orders for shipment, we need a 2 or 3 day lead-time.
All sales are final; however, we will rectify any errors for which we are responsible. After the
order has been placed, any additions will be handled as a separate order.

DELIVERIES – All orders less than 500 lbs. will be shipped via UPS. Anything over this will
be sent by Common Carrier. Freight charges will be determined according to the amount of the
order and the distance of delivery. If you have any questions about ordering, delivery or freight
estimates please contact Customer Service. Refrigerated products cannot be delivered via
UPS or common carrier, customer pick-up only.

PAYMENT – All common carrier orders must be paid prior to shipment. Payment can be made
by money order, certified or cashier’s check, Visa, MasterCard or Discover Cards. UPS orders
can be prepaid with a credit card; or paid upon delivery with a money order, certified or cashier’s
check

OUT OF STOCK ITEMS - All items out of stock will need to be reordered. We do not
maintain back order records.

DAMAGED PRODUCT – If product is damaged upon delivery, please note the problem
specifically on the delivery receipt/bill of lading at the time of delivery. Call our office and
notify us of the problem. We will promptly rectify any errors for which we are responsible.

NOTE: We guarantee that all merchandise is fresh and saleable when shipped. Dutch
Valley will not assume any liability for products purchased for either short term or long
term storage. No credit will be processed for this type of product usage.

Revised March 2005
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: kgbenson on January 18, 2006, 04:47:30 PM
"Another possibility for locating a source of 50-lb. bags of KASL is to call Dutch Valley, which is mentioned above in this thread, and speak to a customer service rep. I did this recently and was told that they will try to match buyers with sources in their areas that apparently take delivery from Dutch Valley."

I tried this and they will not give out such information.  Having said that, does anyone know what volume a 5-0 lb bag of flour is?  I.e. how many 5 gallon buckets would that fill?

Keith
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Pete-zza on January 18, 2006, 05:41:52 PM
Keith,

Your experience with Dutch Valley differed from mine. When I called it was to help one of our members. I only had a rough idea of where the member lived so I was told that if I could be more precise they would be able to tell me if there was anyone in that area that they dealt with that could be a possible source. My recollection is that if there was such a source, the member could go to that source and request the product if it was not then in stock. Or the member could call Dutch Valley directly. Maybe Dutch Valley's policy has changed, or possibly you got a less helpful customer service rep.

As to your question on the 50-lb bag, check out this math. King Arthur says on its 5-lb. bags of flour (including the 5-lb. bags of all-purpose and bread flour) that the 5-lb. bag contains approximately 19 cups of flour. So, 50-lbs. by that measure would be 190 cups (10 x 19). There are 16 cups in a gallon. Five gallons would be 80 cups (5 x 16). So, 190/80 would give us 2 3/8 5-gallon buckets. It could be a little bit more or a little bit less because of the way that bags of flour are filled at the miller's plant. From what I have read, a 50-lb bag of flour can be off 8 ounces either way. That's one of the reasons why some pizza operators weigh their flour before making dough with it.

Peter

Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: coptodd on January 30, 2006, 08:39:03 PM
This forum rocks........first post! This is for "Pam" did you ever find out where you could get KASL local in Durham. I am local to durham and have been looking for awhile.
Thanks.....and hello to all!!!!!!
Todd
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Twin2 on February 01, 2006, 01:23:40 PM
When I had my bakery one of my suppliers was Dutch Valley Foods.  They deal almost exclusively with Amish stores and bakeries on a wholesale level.  I got several people here in the general Winston-Salem, NC, area on their customer list.  I don't know where you are in NC,  Brandon, but to get the DVF truck to come direct to me I had to place a $500.00 minimum order.  I often co-oped my orders with other bakers or restaurants and it helped me a lot to get the $500.00 together during the slow months!  The shipping only ran about about $40.00 to $50.00 per order.  I think it worked out to under $.10 per lb.  Even if they raised their rates in the last 6 months, that's still cheaper.  They have a fantastic array of goods and are wonderful people to deal with.
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Twin2 on February 01, 2006, 01:29:25 PM
Brandon, I just read some more posts and noticed that you are in the Winston-Salem area.  Me to.  Let me know when you need some more stuff from Dutch Valley.  I still have some connections!
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Twin2 on February 01, 2006, 01:55:39 PM
In North Carolina you have to deal with someone who has a retail operation, as well as wholesale.  We have sales tax on food and it's a real snarl for the business owner to sell to an individual if they do not have a sales tax number.  Like illegal.
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: coptodd on February 02, 2006, 08:28:58 AM
Dutch Valley is the way to go....just ordered my first bag today from them....fast easy. The only bad thing is you par more for the shipping then for the flour itself!!!!
Todd
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: pftaylor on February 03, 2006, 05:28:58 AM
I recently replenished my stock of KASL. I use KASL as the base ingredient for Pizza Raquel.

Since I found out about high protein flours, the choices were far and few between in the Tampa, Florida area to source 50lb sacks of Sir Lancelot. So I had previously paid through the nose at The Bakers Catalog or Amazon for the privilege of buying 5 lb bags. The price per pound and the onerous shipping charges always made me feel abused.

Then, last September, Pete-zza informed me of a store called the Honey Bee. It is located across the street from Bush Gardens (actually the Budweiser brewery area to be precise) and I decided to investigate to determine if it just might be my answer. Sure enough, for $23.00 plus tax I snagged KASL. I realize $23.00 is not a true wholesale type price but, compared to what I was paying previously, I'm not complaining. Carol is the owner and "Queen Bee." She would be delighted to help any suffering home pizza makers in the Tampa area with their flour needs. She is a wonderful person to conduct business with and I have no hesitation recommending her as a source. 

My understanding is that flour has roughly a one year shelf life. Probably longer if one were to freeze and/or refrigerate. The particular 50lb sack of KASL I bought was date stamped 11/04/05.
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Perk on February 03, 2006, 07:39:42 AM
Dutch Valley is the way to go....just ordered my first bag today from them....fast easy. The only bad thing is you par more for the shipping then for the flour itself!!!!
Todd

Was this your contact info or did you use another number?
Contact for Dutch Valley is Burnell Martin, Customer Service Manager; 800-733-4191 Ext. 2319; [email protected] ; http://www.dutchvalleyfoods.com .

After I use my (4) 3# bags KASL I may order a 50# bag.



Carol is the owner and "Queen Bee." She would be delighted to help any suffering home pizza makers in the Tampa area with their flour needs. She is a wonderful person to conduct business with and I have no hesitation recommending her as a source. 

My understanding is that flour has roughly a one year shelf life. Probably longer if one were to freeze and/or refrigerate. The particular 50lb sack of KASL I bought was date stamped 11/04/05.

hmm, It would be a 3 1/2 hr drive from Jax for me,  I could always take the family to Bush Gardens.

If I got a 50# bag, and use 5.5 cups of flour per batch of dough, which gives 3 14" pizzas and by Pete-zza estimate there is 190 cups in a 50# bag.
I probably would get (100) 14' pizza's from it, so I would have to cook a pizza every 3.5 days to use up a 50 #bag in a year.
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Pete-zza on February 03, 2006, 08:11:19 AM
I couldn't quite remember how I located Carol at Honey Bee, so I had to go back to my notes. As it turns out, I was given her name and telephone number (813-971-7599) by an employee of Best Brands Corp., a distributor in Tampa whose name I had found at the King Arthur professionals website (referenced in an earlier post). Best Brands does not sell to individuals, but I was able to coax out of their employee a name of someone local to the Tampa area who might be able to act as an intermediary to get the KASL for pftaylor. That turned out to be Carol, at Honey Bee. I called her (after finding and checking out her website, honeybeeshop.com) and she told me that she would be happy to help. When I asked her how she handles these matters, she said that she makes arrangements with Best Brands to stop by on her way to work in the morning and she picks up the flour and brings it with her to work. Upon further cross examination, she told me that she actually loads the 50-lb. bags of flour into her vehicle herself. When she quoted me the price, I thought she earned and deserved every penny. I am also a big fan of helping local merchants. I want them to stay in business.

The moral of this little story is not to give up too easily when someone, like a Best Brands, gives you a no answer. If they sense you are passionate about your pizza making, and you can convey that to them in a nice, polite manner, they will often try to find ways to help you--either by breaking their own rules or by giving you the names of customers (like Carol) or even users of their products (like pizza establishments or bakeries). I have gotten many leads this way. They don't always pan out, but I am amazed at how nice people have been to me when I call them out of the blue looking for help.

Peter

Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Pete-zza on February 03, 2006, 08:43:09 AM
Perk,

If you keep the flour in a dark, cool, aerated (non-musty) space, it should last between 1 and 2 years. Suppliers of bakery ingredients will naturally be on the conservative side when it comes to recommending shelf lives for their products. They don't want to have to deal with issues of staleness and customer complaints. No doubt fresh flour is better than stale flour, but if the price is right, you can always replenish your supplies. You can also share your flour with others.

Peter
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: coptodd on February 03, 2006, 12:28:03 PM
As far as who I spoke with I didnt think to get her name. I spoke with a female and asked her if they had anyone in the Durham area I could buy a 50lb bag of Sir from.....she said no, but that I could order directly from her and it would be shipped out via UPS ground. Only draw-back is the shipping, the flour was about $15 and the shipping was about $22......two days from Penn., should be here on Monday:)
The number I called was......717-933-4191
She set up an account for me and took my credit card over the phone.....really nice. Until I can find a local source I will continue to buy from Dutch Valley......
Cant wait to try some of the recipes on this site when I get it!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Perk on February 03, 2006, 01:09:03 PM
Thanks Peter and coptodd for the info,
If I really like the flour with my (4) 3# sample bags I will get the 50# bag next.
I paid $22 for 12#, and for an extra $15 or so I could get  38# more.

Sounds like a no brainer to me to order from Dutch Valley.



Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: coptodd on February 08, 2006, 07:40:27 AM
Well, I must say that I have made a lot of pizza in the last few months with alot of different flour. On Monday my KASL arrived VIA UPS from Dutch Valley. I Used the followed this formulation for a 15 inch NY Style:
2 1/2 cups KASL
1 Cup Water
1/2 t IDY
1 T sugar
1 t SALT
1 T virgin Olive Oil
Fridge 24 hours
baked on a screen (15inch) at 450 degree oven

The hardest part was getting the flour in on Monday and waiting until Tuesday to eat the BEST PIZZA ever.......If you have not tried KASL, IT IS WORTH IT.......

Coptodd
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Pete-zza on January 11, 2008, 10:25:44 AM
I posted today on another thread on some other potential online sources of the KASL flour, at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,2264.msg52075.html#msg52075 (Reply 19).

Peter
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: canadave on January 11, 2008, 05:57:08 PM
I posted today on another thread on some other potential online sources of the KASL flour, at http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php/topic,2264.msg52075.html#msg52075 (Reply 19).

Peter
I don't suppose any of those places ship to Canada :(  for less than the typically-encountered arm and leg?
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: canadave on January 11, 2008, 06:01:01 PM
As a test, I tried to order a 50 lb bag of GM All Trumps flour.  The bag was $28, and shipping was the arm and leg I had speculated on: $130.  At a grand total of $158 not including tax, that's over $3.00 per pound of flour.  Nice :(

Alas, I fear, 'tis not to be.  sigh!
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: joe697 on June 06, 2008, 01:27:50 PM
I contacted Dutch Valley Food Distributors in hopes of buying a 50lb bag of KASL flour and was shocked at the price quoted.  I was expecting a bag to run about $15 to $20 not what I was quoted in the below email...


"Thank you for your interest in Dutch Valley Food Distributors located in Myerstown, PA.  The current price for Item #142053 is $45.25 per bag plus the additional UPS ground shipping charge of approximately $34.00 to $39.00.  UPS charges by the total weight of the order and total delivery distance.  You may place your order on our website by clicking on Login in the upper right corner of our website.  At the next screen, scroll to the bottom and click on the new customer area.  Please complete the required information and you will be able to place your order."

Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Bryan S on June 06, 2008, 08:12:54 PM
I contacted Dutch Valley Food Distributors in hopes of buying a 50lb bag of KASL flour and was shocked at the price quoted.  I was expecting a bag to run about $15 to $20.
Well, I hate to tell you but everything has gone up. I use 3 different flours for my different pizza doughs. Every one has gone up from $1.00 - $2.00 per 5lb. bag to what it was just 6 months ago. KA Bread flour is $4 per 5 lb bag now. I put it back, I'm not paying it. My Ceresota AP flour went up from $1.89 to $2.89 a 5lb. bag so that's all I'm using. So that price quoated isn't that far off. Thanks to money hungry, greedy Corporate America. Soon middle class Americans will be extinct.  :'(
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot Long Island NY
Post by: Shotgun682 on November 05, 2008, 11:36:19 PM
http://www.icbakers.com/about.asp

Inter-County bakers in Lindenhurst NY stocks 50# bags of Sir Lancelot flour

It looks like they will sell to the public.. Call first but the website says you can pick-up COD

Pickup:

Merchandise can be picked-up at our warehouse between 8:00am & 4:00pm from Monday through Friday. There is no minimum order for pickups.

Terms:

All new customers are required to pay C.O.D. until a credit application has been submitted and approved. Credit applications are available upon request. There is a $20 charge for returned checks.

Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: smaxam on July 19, 2009, 04:49:25 AM

If you live in an area that has Mennonites or Amish, you might check out one of their grocery stores. The one I habituate, Pine Ridge Groceries in Bainbridge NY, carries KASL, and a lot of what Dutch Valley carries.

Pine Ridge's recent price for KASL was $0.58 per pound.
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: UnConundrum on August 03, 2009, 09:57:17 PM
Echo Hill in Fleetwood, PA carries Sir. Lancelot @ $.60/lb.  They offer discounts on whole bags, but I'm not sure what the discount is.  They're close enough to me that I just pick up what I need.
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: PeterTheWolf on September 05, 2009, 10:11:39 PM
Hello,

For starters ... what does "IDY" stand for in this recipe (quoted below)?

This is my first time back to this forum in about 4 years ... different email address ... couldn't remember my last one used.
In any case this thread is why I am back.
I now live in the Winston-Salem, NC area and I am once again looking for the best High Gluten flour to use for pizza.
I was able to get some High Gluten flour from SAM's club until I moved to Winston-Salem but
the SAM's Club area here do not carry the High Gluten flour.
Which is why this thread got my attention.

I see that this Sir Lancelot is the flour I need to try based on this thread.  Finding it puts me in the same
position as many on this thread; however, I have found a source.
I have ordered two 50 lb bags (Dutch Valley Food Distributors Inc. ordering #142053)
At $28.06 / bag (plus tax I think).  They will come in 09/09th or 10th /2009 and I will pick them up 09/12/2009.  
I say this to inform anybody in the Winston-Salem, NC area who may want to buy one of the two bags I get.  
I will sell it for the actual price I pay.  I do have to drive 80 miles (one way) to get it … BUT it will be a nice drive.

For those who want to put in their own order and pick it up themselves, here are the sources I came up with in the last couple of days.

Source #1:

Yoder's Country Market
www  yodersmart  com

6827 Blanch Rd
Blanch, NC 27212-9678
(336) 234-8072
Get directions
Talked to Brittany 09/03/2009
Ordered two 50lbs bags for $28.06/bag
Hours are M-Sat 9:00am to 5:00pm.
Sunday 9:00 – 1:00pm.

Source #2
Ye Old Country Store
828-682-1231

Source #3
Yadkin Valley Store
Elkin, NC
336-835-1429

Source #4
Mars Hill Bulk Foods
828-689-3353
Zip 28754
Talked to Eddie Carr
$26.00 / 50lb Bag


Well, I must say that I have made a lot of pizza in the last few months with alot of different flour. On Monday my KASL arrived VIA UPS from Dutch Valley. I Used the followed this formulation for a 15 inch NY Style:
2 1/2 cups KASL
1 Cup Water
1/2 t IDY
1 T sugar
1 t SALT
1 T virgin Olive Oil
Fridge 24 hours
baked on a screen (15inch) at 450 degree oven

The hardest part was getting the flour in on Monday and waiting until Tuesday to eat the BEST PIZZA ever.......If you have not tried KASL, IT IS WORTH IT.......

Coptodd
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Pete-zza on September 05, 2009, 10:19:58 PM
For starters ... what does "IDY" stand for in this recipe (quoted below)?

"IDY" = Instant Dry Yeast.

For more terms, see the forum's Pizza Glossary at http://www.pizzamaking.com/pizza_glossary.html.

Peter
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: lundervold on December 15, 2009, 12:04:08 PM
I contacted Dutch Valley Food Distributors in hopes of buying a 50lb bag of KASL flour and was shocked at the price quoted.  I was expecting a bag to run about $15 to $20 not what I was quoted in the below email...


"Thank you for your interest in Dutch Valley Food Distributors located in Myerstown, PA.  The current price for Item #142053 is $45.25 per bag plus the additional UPS ground shipping charge of approximately $34.00 to $39.00.  UPS charges by the total weight of the order and total delivery distance.  You may place your order on our website by clicking on Login in the upper right corner of our website.  At the next screen, scroll to the bottom and click on the new customer area.  Please complete the required information and you will be able to place your order."



I just received the following from Dutch Valley Food:

"Good morning:
Thank you for your interest in Dutch Valley Food Distributors located in Myerstown, PA.  The current price for Item #142053 (50 lb Sir Lancelot Hi-Gluten Flour) is $25.91 per bag.  Pick up hours are Monday to Friday - 7:30 AM to 4:30 PM.  Please note that you must place your order at least one day in advance of your pick up day.  Please call customer service at 1-800-733-4191 if you would like to place an order.  Payment is accepted with a credit card.  We accept VISA, MasterCard and Discover.  Please have a great day."

Fortunately I live near by so I'll stop to pick up on my way home.
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: matermark on March 05, 2011, 08:27:00 PM
Any current prices anybody?
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: norma427 on March 05, 2011, 09:17:57 PM
Any current prices anybody?

matermark,

My last bags 50 lb.of KASL were 22.40.

Norma
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: matermark on March 07, 2011, 12:56:19 PM
Thank you Norma. I've been using KA bread flour and adding/replacing 13g of vital wheat gluten per pound to make 14.2% protein for now but should start calling around for KASL instead.... I just don't know if I can use 50lbs.
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: PlanoPhil on July 07, 2011, 12:49:52 PM
Norma
Can you tell me were you purchased your KASL?  That seems like an incredible price. 50 lbs for $22.  Wow!   :o Am I missing something?

Phil
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: norma427 on July 07, 2011, 05:58:18 PM
Norma
Can you tell me were you purchased your KASL?  That seems like an incredible price. 50 lbs for $22.  Wow!   :o Am I missing something?

Phil

Phil,

I purchase my KASL at C.O. Nolt & Son, Inc.  http://www.conolt.com/  but it only for commercial businesses.  If you live in my area I could purchase some for you.  The last time I purchased KASL it went up to 26.50, as of 6/24/2011.  I have to pick up some more flour tomorrow and don’t know what the price will be.  If you want me to let you know what the price is tomorrow, I can let you know.  KASL does seem to be creeping up in price, just like all other pizza related ingredients are. 

Fred, (SmokinGuitarPlayer) does also carry KASL in 50 lb. bags for 41.99 http://www.fredsmusicandbbq.com/category_s/603.htm  I think, but am not sure, that he also breaks it down in smaller bags.  You could call him and ask him if he does, and what the price would be to ship.

Norma
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: matermark on July 07, 2011, 06:37:11 PM
A bakery supply place in Buffalo quoted me $22.75 or $22.95 back in the spring for a 50lb bag.
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: PlanoPhil on July 08, 2011, 08:53:35 AM
Norma,
I live in the Dallas area so no chance of hooking up with your purchase.

If anyone is following this string from North Texas and knows where I can get KASL please reply.

Thanks

Phil
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: Pete-zza on July 08, 2011, 10:30:52 AM
Phil,

You might check out Dawn Food Products (http://www.dawnfoods.com/Public/Managed/Home/Index.Asp) in Garland. I believe that they still sell to individuals but there may be a minimum dollar purchase requirement. You might also have to open an account.

Peter
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: norma427 on July 08, 2011, 11:08:08 AM
Norma,
I live in the Dallas area so no chance of hooking up with your purchase.

If anyone is following this string from North Texas and knows where I can get KASL please reply.

Thanks

Phil

Just for comparison, I did call to pick up KASL today and now it is 29.40 for 50 lbs.  If matermark can get it from a bakery at the price he posted, that is a good deal.

Norma
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: matermark on July 08, 2011, 04:10:03 PM
Phil, there is also a place in I think Wisconsin that sells it by the pound to anybody, I will try to find a link...

HERE it is:

http://www.floursack.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TFS&Product_Code=142053&Category_Code=FL

They sell it in 5, 10 & 25lbs ($4.95, $9.50 & $22.50)

Hope this helps.

P.S. I just called my place in town here, they asked who I was and just said "Cash & Carry" and they put me on hold, came back & said $23.00.
Title: Re: 50# bags of Sir Lancelot
Post by: PlanoPhil on July 12, 2011, 12:09:03 PM
Just received this email from my local distributor for Dawn Food Products.

There have been many e-mails flying around trying to get you information on how to buy King Arthur flour.  Hopefully, I can help.  We do stock several varieties of King Arthur flour.  It is a great flour line.  I am with the distribution arm of Dawn here at the Dallas Distribution center in Garland.  We sell to the wholesale channel for bakery products.  We are not designed for selling to the public like a Sam’s or Restaurant Depot.  We do however have limited abilities for will call customers.  We do have a minimum pick up amount of $75.  I would recommend you call our office and our customer service department can help you through our system.  972-485-8004

_______________________

Not sure I want to buy $75 worth.  Called them and they say it's $29 per 50 lb bag.  So I would have to buy three bags.  Guess I need to find someone in the Dallas area willing to split the load with me..

Anyone out there interested?

Phil