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Pizza Making => Newbie Topics => Topic started by: dbkyser on April 01, 2020, 09:50:57 PM

Title: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: dbkyser on April 01, 2020, 09:50:57 PM
Just wondering how many use a KitchenAid, or Mixer for dough or do you get better results mixing by hand.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: jsaras on April 01, 2020, 11:10:39 PM
Although I own a KitchenAid mixer, I havenít used it in years.  For the small batches I do (4 pounds maximum, and usually 1000 grams) I much prefer hand mixing. 

For doughs in the 60% hydration range, my 12-cup food processor does an outstanding job in 45 seconds.  The ďtrickĒ is to adjust the starting water temperature so that the finished dough temp is 75-80F.  The formula I use is: Flour temp (F) + water temp (F) = 130.  Just solve the algebra problem.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: Pizza_Not_War on April 02, 2020, 02:18:44 AM
I like to bake but I really hate hand mixing. I just don't like the feel of the dough all over my hands. I know it seems weird, just maybe an OCD type of thing.

I'm no expert, but I can easily tell while using my KA when the dough is where I want it to be. I usually just use the slow speed which is probably similar to a hand mix for the average person. My food processor died so that isn't an option and I never really liked it except for pie crusts. I had a more robust Bosch mixer but that also stopped working and since the cost of repair was 50% of the new machine I tossed it.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: ARenko on April 02, 2020, 07:38:57 AM
I mix and knead by hand.  I don't have a mixer, so I can't comment on how it compares to a mixer.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: MadMatt on April 02, 2020, 02:56:51 PM
I have spiral dough hook on my kenwood but theres a problem that these just dont get all the ingredients together into a ball

So I usually get the handle of a  wooden spoon, mix the ingreidents until its rough ball, then put it in the kenwood dough hook mixer.  It does good job, but it seems like a hassle.   I believe Petezza  had this issue to, and he used the paddle attachment to get the ingreidents together then the dough hook. Thats just more cleaning up to do.


But I prefer to do it all by hand.   No need to wash the big glass bowl that my kenwood has. 



Many people love kneading by hand its theraputic.  But if its a sticky dough I know what you mean I hate it getting stuck and finding dried up dough mix on my hand the next day.


Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: enchant on April 02, 2020, 03:35:07 PM
I'm just a power tools kinda guy.  I have a hand saw that's hanging on my workshop wall and I'm pretty sure I haven't taken it down in 25 years. Same with dough.  I hear some accomplished bakers wax poetic about being one with the dough and they only get a proper feel for it if they've got their hands involved.  It looks impressive and I've really tried to learn to love hand kneading, but it just does nothing for me.  Perhaps if there was a power outage and I really wanted pizza.  (Oh who am I kidding?  I've got an 8500 generator.)
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: dragonspawn on April 02, 2020, 04:22:29 PM
I moved from mixer to hand mixing lately. This is the method I use - courtesy of Jeff Varasanos. It works wonderfully for direct dough above 60% hydration for 3 kg dough. The only thing you get dough nb while it is still sticky and gooey is a stick. It is a nice shoulder workout.

My hands barely need washing afterwards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2bBvfn3jns
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: waltertore on April 02, 2020, 06:20:06 PM
When we first opened our pizzeria the mixer died and I was in a battle to get a refund and find a replacement asap.  We were only open a couple weeks and I didn't want to share our problem so I hand mixed all the dough.  It is something I would not want to do again.  Walter
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: The Dough Doctor on April 02, 2020, 06:22:46 PM
I use both methods. When at home I will use the KA about 3/4 of the time but when away from the house I use hand mixing almost exclusively. For small batches I can't say that I have a preference but for larger batches or multiple doughs machine mixing wins out every time.
Tom Lehmann/The Dough Doctor
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: HansB on April 02, 2020, 09:12:11 PM
I usually only make one doughball at a time. I can mix by hand much faster than I can get the mixer out, mix the dough and clean up.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: Chicago Bob on April 02, 2020, 09:28:37 PM
I usually only make one doughball at a time. I can mix by hand much faster than I can get the mixer out, mix the dough and clean up.
.   ^^^

Exactly....😎💪🍕
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: naval2006 on April 03, 2020, 07:47:14 AM
I mix by hand. I donít have a mixer and I usually make from two to eight pies which means not a lot of dough. I do enjoy kneading and hand stretching ready dough to assemble the pie. Iíve been finding out about a mixer to buy but I think about washing after using and I get discouraged.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: The Dough Doctor on April 03, 2020, 12:43:48 PM
Really nothing to washing it, just use a hard plastic scraper to scrape the bowl out when you remove the dough then straight to the sink where it's filled with hot water, agitator then goes into the bowl and I get back to my pizza making chores. After the dough is put up I go back to the sink and finish washing the bowl and agitator and wipe down the mixer with a damp towel. Since we are not blessed with acres of counter space I find it more troublesome to drag the mixer out from its hiding space than to wash it.
Tom Lehmann/The Dough Doctor
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: amolapizza on April 03, 2020, 02:18:36 PM
I just fill a scotch brite pad with water and clean out the bowl, then i wipe it down with a towel (small mixer).  Takes maybe 5 minutes top, if I've let it dry out, less if I do it immediately.

Edit: To clarify, it's a spiral mixer with an 8 liter fixed bowl.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: Chicago Bob on April 03, 2020, 11:05:07 PM
My German gf does all the cleaning... I'm jus here to make the mess. As long as I keep cranking out delicious food.... she no complain. Bless her heart!  🤗

I'm a pretty diligent clean as you go cook though.   ;)
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: ARenko on April 04, 2020, 08:44:31 AM
I moved from mixer to hand mixing lately. This is the method I use - courtesy of Jeff Varasanos. It works wonderfully for direct dough above 60% hydration for 3 kg dough. The only thing you get dough nb while it is still sticky and gooey is a stick. It is a nice shoulder workout.

My hands barely need washing afterwards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2bBvfn3jns
Looks like a pain and pretty inefficient mixing with a stick.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: Jackitup on April 04, 2020, 12:27:50 PM
I start with the KA and finish/fine tune by hand!
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: scott r on April 04, 2020, 01:41:56 PM
Im with you on this one Jon!   As some of you know I have owned just about every mixer out there.  I can get them all to work for me, but I always need to do some work by hand at the end to know where I am for gluten development.   I suppose the only exception is when I accidentally over mix!   I will say tho, that my recommendation to family and friends is not to buy a mixer for home use unless you really need something that can cream butter/sugar or other non bread/pizza related projects, or if you are someone like me that always tends to make large batches for parties or to give away pizza/bread to neighbors.   
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: wotavidone on April 04, 2020, 06:36:44 PM
I use my wife's  stand mixer. It has two counter rotating spirals, and a two speed rotating bowl.
Sure takes the load off, and find it's pretty obvious when I have the hydration right, just by the way it cleans up the bowl nice.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: Minolta Rokkor on April 06, 2020, 07:19:05 AM
Hand mixing irritates me to know end, I can't wait to get Famag or Sunmix
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: corkd on April 06, 2020, 09:15:14 AM
Hand mix for me. I bake more bread than pizza, so itís become a welcome process.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: Jon in Albany on April 06, 2020, 10:17:49 AM
I hand mix pretty good size batches usually. More than would fit in my smaller kitchen aid. Can't speak to the larger home mixers, but I prefer the hand mixed dough after a rest/stretch/fold or two than what I got with the c shaped dough hook in the mixer. The hook seems to flop the dough around instead of kneading.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: MarkC on April 08, 2020, 05:12:40 PM
Hand mixing irritates me to know end, I can't wait to get Famag or Sunmix

Love my Famag!  Having a true spiral mixer on the countertop is such a luxury and I could never go back to a Kitchen-aid mixer.

Keeping on topic..  Lately I've enjoyed hand mixing, especially when I just want enough for one pizza.  I don't really "hand mix" -- I just use a bowl scraper to fold the dough once in a while to develop the gluten.  Only time I actually touch the dough is when opening it up to shape it into a circle...
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: Quebert on April 08, 2020, 05:51:51 PM
Anyone here ever used a Breville Sous Chef to make their dough? I read on a few places when I was Googling that a super powerful food processor can develop gluten in a way you can't by hand. I've made pizza dough in a KA, but that's a pretty weak machine. I made bread dough in my Sous Chef once, it was so powerful and fast that after like 30 seconds it was already where I'd be with 10 minutes of hand kneading.  I know when I pulled it out it was a consistency I'd never gotten by hand, I don't know if it was a good or bad thing, I just know it was totally different. I'm curious about the gluten development.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: Chicago Bob on April 08, 2020, 10:38:08 PM
Anyone here ever used a Breville Sous Chef to make their dough? I read on a few places when I was Googling that a super powerful food processor can develop gluten in a way you can't by hand. I've made pizza dough in a KA, but that's a pretty weak machine. I made bread dough in my Sous Chef once, it was so powerful and fast that after like 30 seconds it was already where I'd be with 10 minutes of hand kneading.  I know when I pulled it out it was a consistency I'd never gotten by hand, I don't know if it was a good or bad thing, I just know it was totally different. I'm curious about the gluten development.
well... How did the bread turn out dude?    ???
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: Quebert on April 09, 2020, 03:23:33 AM
well... How did the bread turn out dude?    ???

Turned out pretty good, but it was the only time I've made dough in my Sous Chef. And I didn't exact measure everything, so I don't know if it was just a case of dumb luck or if I nailed it. Which, since I didn't measure I suppose would be dumb luck lol. I should make a few small batches of bread in my Breville where I weigh out everything. Ordering an Ooni Koda next week and want to try making NY and Neopolitan dough in it. One thing I remember when I pulled the dough out of it, it had risen around 25 degree's in that 30 seconds. I dunno if that's good for dough either.  I know for high power mixers a bunch of baking pros recommend using room temp water instead of your normal 105-120 range because it'll heat up so much while being mixed.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: wotavidone on April 09, 2020, 05:15:25 AM
I know for high power mixers a bunch of baking pros recommend using room temp water instead of your normal 105-120 range because it'll heat up so much while being mixed.
I am no pro, but I too use water straight out of the cold tap. Machine mixing definitely heats the dough for you.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: foreplease on April 09, 2020, 12:25:59 PM
Turned out pretty good, but it was the only time I've made dough in my Sous Chef. And I didn't exact measure everything, so I don't know if it was just a case of dumb luck or if I nailed it. Which, since I didn't measure I suppose would be dumb luck lol. I should make a few small batches of bread in my Breville where I weigh out everything. Ordering an Ooni Koda next week and want to try making NY and Neopolitan dough in it. One thing I remember when I pulled the dough out of it, it had risen around 25 degree's in that 30 seconds. I dunno if that's good for dough either.  I know for high power mixers a bunch of baking pros recommend using room temp water instead of your normal 105-120 range because it'll heat up so much while being mixed.
You nailed it but now it will be dumb luck if you can repeat it. Happens to many of us once.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: Hanglow on April 09, 2020, 12:47:21 PM
Kenwood mixer for me, I detest hand mixing.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: Old Red on April 11, 2020, 02:04:46 PM
Always hand mix my pizza. I inherited my mom's Kitchen Aid but only use it for cookies and mashed taters.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: Chicago Bob on April 11, 2020, 09:41:25 PM
Love some mashers by hand!  :drool:

garlic and cream cheese..... Ohh my
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: OHpizzaguy on April 12, 2020, 09:39:54 AM
I mix and knead by hand.  I don't have a mixer, so I can't comment on how it compares to a mixer.
Iím with you. Though Iíve been thinking about the Bosch Compact mixer for a while now.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: OHpizzaguy on April 12, 2020, 09:47:57 AM
No mixer, recently got Danish whisk from Amazon & they help so much! Keeps your hands clean through the initial mixing which to me is when they get the messiest!

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZXWR7VW/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_3UXKEbHPFD7BK
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: Rainier42 on April 12, 2020, 01:54:25 PM
Mostly use my Ankarsrum mixer.  I like its consistency.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: jkb on April 12, 2020, 03:03:03 PM
Dishwasher.  Much easier and greener than hand washing.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: wiz_d_kidd on April 14, 2020, 01:56:55 PM
Hand mixing and kneading. My old KitchenAid mixer doesn't have the right dough hook to do a small batch (640 gm total) with any consistency.
Title: Re: Do you mix by hand or use a mixer?
Post by: Chicago Bob on April 14, 2020, 10:01:28 PM
Dishwasher.  Much easier and greener than hand washing.
I agree with the easier part....🍸