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Title: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on April 30, 2019, 10:19:06 PM
Playing with a new oven. Can anyone guess which one?
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: jizza23 on April 30, 2019, 10:23:03 PM
Ooni Koda? That or electric countertop
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: scott r on April 30, 2019, 11:45:02 PM
breville!
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: jizza23 on May 01, 2019, 12:11:31 AM
breville!
That's the one I was thinking
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: Icelandr on May 01, 2019, 01:17:31 AM
Gut reaction, electric, I see Schold’s desire for even golden brown created with a dial oven. To me no flames were involved.
But I am new to this . .  .
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: schold on May 01, 2019, 05:47:01 AM
Electric oven. I believe one can see which part of the cornicione was closer to the door. An Effeuno oven seems hard to get in the USA, so the Breville Pizzaiolo may be more likely. I hope it's the former, though.
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: sk on May 01, 2019, 07:48:04 AM
Along with the others, some sort of electric.  I'm not really conversant in all the options.
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 01, 2019, 07:57:24 AM
Nobody has won the prize yet. The bake time was right at two minutes if that helps.
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: ebpizza on May 01, 2019, 08:38:06 AM
Roccbox?
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: vdempsey on May 01, 2019, 08:43:23 AM
Nobody has won the prize yet. The bake time was right at two minutes if that helps.

What's the prize TXCraig1? 

http://www.effeuno.biz/en/21/electric-ovens-for-bread-and-pizza-lovers/32/easy-pizza-line/298/one-pizza-oven

is the oven you used.

Vida
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 01, 2019, 08:45:43 AM
It's not an electric oven.
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: jmiliz on May 01, 2019, 08:48:44 AM
Gustavsen (Ved) grill
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 01, 2019, 08:51:55 AM
Gustavsen (Ved) grill

No. But I do have one. It really works well as a pizza oven and wok burner. How many ovens can say that  :-D
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: vdempsey on May 01, 2019, 08:53:24 AM
It's not an electric oven.

Cuisinart CPO-600 Alfrescamore Portable Outdoor Pizza Oven perhaps?
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 01, 2019, 08:58:05 AM
Cuisinart CPO-600 Alfrescamore Portable Outdoor Pizza Oven perhaps?

Nope. Haven't even seen that one before.
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: Jon in Albany on May 01, 2019, 09:07:06 AM
Is there a new version of the mighty pizza oven?
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 01, 2019, 09:30:27 AM
Is there a new version of the mighty pizza oven?

Not that I know of.
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 01, 2019, 09:34:21 AM
Another hint: the cost of the oven new is about $135. I paid less. I suspect most folks can get it for less.
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: vdempsey on May 01, 2019, 09:41:34 AM
Another hint: the cost of the oven new is about $135. I paid less. I suspect most folks can get it for less.

Pizzacraft PizzaQue PC6500 Portable Outdoor Pizza Oven?
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: Icelandr on May 01, 2019, 09:57:15 AM
A Bic Lighter!


Quote from Jersey Pie Boy in 2015


Man, I'm looking at these BS pies, and thinking, Craig could make a great pizza using a Bic lighter!”
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: MicheleR on May 01, 2019, 10:02:53 AM
Pizzacraft PizzaQue PC6500 Portable Outdoor Pizza Oven?
That must be it
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: ebpizza on May 01, 2019, 10:06:59 AM
Ah then it must be ...
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: PizzAmateur on May 01, 2019, 10:10:01 AM
How far will this go?

(chuckle)
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: vdempsey on May 01, 2019, 10:14:06 AM
How far will this go?

(chuckle)

PizzAmateur,

Meanwhile I've got a bulk ferment ball and am impatient wanting to shape them into balls already but have to wait...yeah officially, pizza making obsessed.
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 01, 2019, 10:15:00 AM
A Bic Lighter!

That may be the closest guess so far  :-D
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: vdempsey on May 01, 2019, 10:18:55 AM
That may be the closest guess so far  :-D


Must be a WFO oven? $135 ?
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 01, 2019, 10:28:35 AM


Must be a WFO oven? $135 ?

Not wood fired.
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: vdempsey on May 01, 2019, 10:30:44 AM
Not wood fired.

That is more than strike 3, so I'm out.
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 01, 2019, 10:32:48 AM
OK, good guesses all. Here it is:

Title: Re: New oven
Post by: schold on May 01, 2019, 10:35:31 AM
Searzall ;D
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: jizza23 on May 01, 2019, 10:37:28 AM
That was fun
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: vdempsey on May 01, 2019, 10:37:48 AM
OK, good guesses all. Here it is:

A cast iron on a stove top and what is that next to the cast iron pan?
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 01, 2019, 11:13:06 AM
A cast iron on a stove top and what is that next to the cast iron pan?

It's a searzall: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L2P0KNO/
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: PizzAmateur on May 01, 2019, 11:19:47 AM
PizzAmateur,

Meanwhile I've got a bulk ferment ball and am impatient wanting to shape them into balls already but have to wait...yeah officially, pizza making obsessed.

Welcome to my world! (chuckle)

Latest formula... fermentation times vary according to when I need it... combination of cold and RT ferment.

Flour (100%):    369.41 g  | 13.03 oz | 0.81 lbs
Water (65%):    240.12 g  |  8.47 oz | 0.53 lbs
IDY (.25%):      0.92 g  |  0.03 oz | 0.31 tsp | 0.1 tbsp
Salt (2%):      7.39 g  |  0.26 oz | 1.32 tsp | 0.44 tbsp
Olive Oil (4%):  14.78 g  |  0.52 oz | 3.28 tsp | 1.09 tbsp
Sugar (2%):      7.39 g  |  0.26 oz | 0.02 lbs | 1.85 tsp | 0.62 tbsp
Total (173.25%):   640 g  | 22.57 oz | 1.41 lbs | TF = N/A
Single Ball:      160 g  |  5.64 oz | 0.35 lbs

I am using a little less sugar than above.  Maybe half or 1/3 of what is listed.

Depends on how fast the crust browns...

Also, just started using White Lily Bread Flour.  I like it.
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: Jersey Pie Boy on May 01, 2019, 11:22:45 AM
Fun! And amazing, but you always make amazing pies. This was really just an oversized Bic, LOL!
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 01, 2019, 11:42:06 AM
I've been on a kick to make pizza with only things readily available, and I've been wanting to come up with a way that anyone can make a reasonable NP approximation without a dedicated oven or any oven mods. This is really close, and given the simplicity, maybe the best option.

I don't like the skillet-broiler method at all. Cooking the top and bottom separately just doesn't work when it comes to delivering NP characteristics, and most broilers are not powerful enough to get the top even close to right or quick enough. This method fixes those problems. 450F on the pan at launch and circle around the parameter (~ 1 pass per second initially) with the torch angled slightly towards the edge of the pan. After it's mostly baked, you can touch up light spots. I didn't use the torch after I took it out of the pan, but you could to hit light ares on the sides if you wanted.

The searzall isn't quite powerful enough to be ideal, but it's close enough. The bottom of the pie isn't quite right, but these are almost as close to NP as what I used to bake in my BBQ, and a whole LOT simpler to make: https://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php?topic=9614.0 The pizza could pass for NP and is a lot better than I've had in most of the fast-NP chains.

For this pie, I had bulk dough in the fridge since Saturday afternoon, balled it yesterday at 4pm at RT and baked at 7pm. Warm up time is just a couple minutes. The dough was 62%HR KABF, 2.8% salt, 0.5% IDY.  I had it in the fridge for three days, but it could have been anywhere from one to five days no problem. It's a very flexible solution. Launching into the hot pan is surprisingly easy because the dough does not stick at all. Even if part of the pie ends up on the side of the pan, a quick swirl and it's right in the middle.
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: Jersey Pie Boy on May 01, 2019, 11:48:49 AM
Maybe 30-45 second pie next?


http://xm42.com/




 :-D
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 01, 2019, 11:57:02 AM
I was wanting to keep it an indoor option  ;D
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: ccgus on May 01, 2019, 04:28:33 PM
This is pretty awesome. How many attempts did you try before you were happy with what you made? And did you oil the pan first?
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 01, 2019, 05:03:39 PM
This is pretty awesome. How many attempts did you try before you were happy with what you made? And did you oil the pan first?

The pie in the first post is the 3rd of four I've made. The first two were Saturday with a 5-hour dough, kind of a proof of concept. I made this and one other last night, but I didn't have much cheese to put on the second.
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 01, 2019, 05:24:25 PM
No oil on the pan.

Here is the second one from last night and a crumb shot.
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: Jersey Pie Boy on May 01, 2019, 05:36:43 PM
Also proof of this equation:  Your skill + any heat source= Great pizza


Next up, sun and magnifying glass :-D
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: Pete-zza on May 01, 2019, 05:50:07 PM
Next up, sun and magnifying glass :-D
Bill,

You mean like this? ;D:

https://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php?topic=5173.msg44215#msg44215

Peter
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 01, 2019, 05:55:19 PM
I have a fresnel lens that's a bit larger than a square meter...
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: scott r on May 01, 2019, 06:07:08 PM
amazing Craig!!!  you are definitely the man
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: vdempsey on May 01, 2019, 07:33:58 PM
It's a searzall: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L2P0KNO/

Genius little thing. 
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: parallei on May 01, 2019, 07:43:19 PM
That is a hoot.  Like some here, I've used the searzall to "touch up" an indoor conventional oven pie.  Never considered using it as one of two primary heat sources.
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: Bill/SFNM on May 01, 2019, 09:35:47 PM
Playing with a new oven. Can anyone guess which one?

Trick question. This isn't an oven. And it's not new.  ;D

But very nice job!
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 01, 2019, 10:19:32 PM
Trick question. This isn't an oven. And it's not new.  ;D

But very nice job!

Thank you. Why isn't it an oven? Because it's not locally enclosed?

Where else have you seen a torch used simultaneously with a skillet on the stove?
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: Bill/SFNM on May 01, 2019, 10:43:08 PM
Thank you. Why isn't it an oven? Because it's not locally enclosed?

Where else have you seen a torch used simultaneously with a skillet on the stove?

Oven is a chamber. Not new in that the pan and Searzall were things I assume you already owned. So not a new oven on both counts. So this is a new method using old equipment that does not involve an oven. But great idea. I do something similar with open-faced, grilled sandwiches. 
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 02, 2019, 06:30:10 AM
Oven is a chamber. 

So is this - with a big door at the top.  ;D
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: rdbedwards on May 02, 2019, 03:33:34 PM
Craig, how many ovens do you have?  Acunto, PP, Ardore, Searzall, GWG, any others?
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 02, 2019, 05:05:17 PM
I think that's all of them. The only other was a BS that I sold. I guess the BBQ too, but haven't used it for pizza in years.
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: deb415611 on May 02, 2019, 07:29:01 PM
nice

damn, now I need a searzall
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: Jersey Pie Boy on May 02, 2019, 07:35:20 PM
How's the young guy doing who bought your BS ? Didn't he instantly  start catering with it?
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: Yael on May 02, 2019, 08:55:09 PM
Last time I tried myself a hand-gas-fired system, but after 30 sec there weren't anymore oxygen in the kitchen so I stopped  ;D
I tried on a pizza, but not long enough to get some relevant result.
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: TXCraig1 on May 03, 2019, 08:18:29 AM
How's the young guy doing who bought your BS ? Didn't he instantly  start catering with it?

I think that was his goal, but I don't know if he did.
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: Bill/SFNM on May 04, 2019, 11:22:52 AM
Craig, I thought of your "new oven" while watching this "pizza" video.  :D My immediate reaction was a hard pass, but maybe with different flavors, this could be a nice quick meal in my Breville or your new oven. Not pizza, but has possibilities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aYOiLJE9IM&t=0s
Title: Re: New oven
Post by: Jersey Pie Boy on May 04, 2019, 11:40:12 AM
At around 3:30, CUT!  Boil more ramen,  guys and let's go  for take 2 :-D