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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1240 on: April 09, 2018, 09:53:38 AM »
just wanted to share a few pizzas from the weekend with you pizza people.

dough:
tre grazie flour
61% hydration
1g / liter fresh bakers yeast
2.7% salt

fermentation: about 12 h bulk and 8 h balled at 22.5 C

1. kebab, onion (bake time: 2 min.)
2. salami (1:30)
3. salami (60 seconds)
4. margherita (60 seconds)

the first two pies were baked in the old oven with two 600w top elements. stone @ 400C and 430C
number 3 and 4 were baked in the new oven with the 1650w top element. stone @ 430C

as you can see the results are very different depending on the temperature.
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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1241 on: April 10, 2018, 09:47:34 AM »
Gut gemacht.  ;D I sell a lot of doner pizza. Try combination of ofenkartoffel with doner without sauce

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1242 on: April 10, 2018, 12:20:48 PM »
Huge difference, though they all look great. I think number 3 would be my favorite!

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1243 on: April 17, 2018, 11:37:04 AM »
Hello guys!

I just bought Spice Pizza Diavola oven. Used, but in good condition. Here is photo of it.
What do you think about those ovens? I want to mod it of course, and as I promised I will post progress here!

cypress: Awesome Pizzas!  :drool:

Marcin



« Last Edit: April 17, 2018, 04:33:46 PM by MaximTheTerrible »

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1244 on: April 19, 2018, 05:11:30 AM »

if you want to put in the 1650w element you'll need a dimmer or regulator since it is too hot. if you want to keep it on the more simple side go for the 1200w element. pretty good results.

Hi! Ive finally found someone that is willing to help me modify the resistors. It seems for the Optima Express the spanish elements from corea are best suitable (specially to have bigger pies). My friend is suggesting to put the 1400w but cypress you're mentioning 1200w, is there a big difference?


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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1245 on: April 25, 2018, 07:13:25 PM »
My friend is suggesting to put the 1400w but cypress you're mentioning 1200w, is there a big difference?

i couldn't really tell you. there's a huge difference between 1200w and 1650w though. the 1400w should work spot on since i never run my 1650w at full blast and the 1200w is not powerful enough for one minute pizzas.

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1246 on: April 30, 2018, 09:26:28 PM »
if anybody is looking for a 230v bottom element this is for you. it is 230v / 600w. seen on ebay italia.
https://www.ebay.it/itm/RESISTENZA-CIRCOLARE-PER-OPTIMA-FORNO-PIZZA-NAPOLI-EXPRESS-RICAMBIO-mshop/152943506533?hash=item239c24b465:g:t8oAAOSwfXJap~Sb

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1247 on: May 15, 2018, 04:58:56 AM »
Hi everybody,
I'm a new member but must say its the most satisfying thread I've read in my life :D
After reading the thread, I've ordered a G3 Ferrari instantly to modify it and start learning to make the Neapolitan Pizza(by the way, I fly many times a year to Italy only to eat pizza :P).
Searching on German shops and on eBay for the heating elements, I found only 2000W to 2500W elements like these https://www.ebay.de/itm/Heizung-Umluft-wie-Neff-2400-Watt-499003-Bosch-EGO-20-29477-000-00499003-/222525983683?hash=item33cf950bc3
Is it possible to use them?

Kind Regards and thanks to everyone :)
Moe
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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1248 on: May 15, 2018, 12:14:39 PM »
Hello guys!

Unfortunately my ordered resistance from coera got "lost" in the mail so I have to wait another week for a replacement.

But another more happy topic: Ive just bought 5kg of Manitoba typo "0" flour (Gran Mugnaio - Molino Spadoni), does anyone here already used it for Napolitan Pizza? I remember I saw some tutorials with it and if I am not mistaken, some mix minitoba 0 with regular 00. Anyone some experience to share?
Also I got, also from Gran Mugnaio - Molino Spadoni, the PZ1 typo "00" flour for a very good price, but I just found out that PZ1 is absolutely unuseful for Napolitan? I understood that the difference of the PZ1-4 is the time the flour needs to rise? Im a bit lost here ^^

Cheers!

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1249 on: May 15, 2018, 08:30:28 PM »
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I found only 2000W to 2500W elements like these https://www.ebay.de/itm/Heizung-Umluft-wie-Neff-2400-Watt-499003-Bosch-EGO-20-29477-000-00499003-/222525983683?hash=item33cf950bc3
Is it possible to use them?

nah, these won't fit. plus they are way too powerful. the best top heating elements are made by a spanish company called coera. they make 1200, 1400 and 1600 watt elements which fit perfectly. at least in the napoli ovens and clones. i think the delizia is too small. you can search this thread for more info on the coera elements. it's all here. oh and if you bought a new oven you will have to do a complete rewire since they are wired in 110v per element.

https://www.coera.net/
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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1250 on: May 16, 2018, 03:15:24 AM »
Thanks cypress for the infos. Ok I will look into Coera to make the order. According to the eBay elements, I thought even if they are powerful but they can be regulate down using a 4000W regulator, or am I wrong? I am a newbie and it was just a thought but if you said they wont fit with my Delizia, so it wouldn't make sense :)

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1251 on: May 16, 2018, 12:29:52 PM »
Hello,

I am new here but in the past i read the thread from time to time. I own one white style pizza ovens for many years and want to mod it.

I've found polish online shops where they sell bendable heating elements, but they are too long to ship to Austria (1200W - 130cm).

I did not find the heating elements on the corea page. Are there any other sources in europe ? Where the original 600W heaters can be bought ?

thanks a lot, manuel
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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1252 on: May 16, 2018, 01:34:40 PM »

I did not find the heating elements on the corea page. Are there any other sources in europe ? Where can the original 600W heaters can be bought ?


I just ordered from corea, you only need to send your inquiry via mail to [email protected] They will reply to you stating the price and the bank wire information to send the money to.

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1254 on: May 16, 2018, 08:26:20 PM »
I thought even if they are powerful but they can be regulate down using a 4000W regulator, or am I wrong?

sure, i am using a regulator on my 1600w element even for 60 second pizzas. at over 2000w the regulator would get pretty hot though i think.

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1255 on: May 20, 2018, 11:37:04 AM »
A friend of mine and I have made an advanced digital Thermostat(my friend did almost everything because he is the electrical technician, I was only giving him screwdrivers :D ). Now we can set the exact temperature we want. I have already tried it using a heating element another pita oven and it worked perfectly. Now I am waiting for the corea element to install it and give it a try.

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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1256 on: May 20, 2018, 09:08:22 PM »
Awesome!
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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1257 on: May 21, 2018, 10:31:05 AM »
cool stuff. a challenge will be to find the right spot inside the oven to get accurate measurements of the stone temp. provided your stone does rotate. if not you can just slap it underneath the stone i guess.
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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1258 on: June 05, 2018, 05:45:43 PM »
Ok finally the new heating element from coera has arrived and my father installed it today  :chef:
I will post the first result after this post, let me here just show the device:

so its a Optima express pizza napoli with a coera 1400 heating element on top and the bottom heating element we have removed. the oven takes arround 10 minutes to heat up to 400 C. Until now I think thats the best option for this kind of pizza makers


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Re: Neapolitan Pizza and G3 Ferrari (modified) electric oven.
« Reply #1259 on: June 05, 2018, 06:01:53 PM »
My first try with my new modification, so Im proud to post my first Pizza that "looks" at least like Napoli Pizza!  :chef: :pizza:

600g flour - 1/3 Manitoba tipo "0" and 2/3 Francine tipo "00" (its french wheat Type 45, I would not use this but stupid me bought 4 kg since it says "00")
365g / l water
12g salt
10g SD (its my own starter, but It smells to much like acetone, so i think its not good any more as you can see on the picutres there are not many bubbles)
12h bulk Cold F - 6h bulk RT (22C) - 4h in balls RT

As you can see there are not many bubbles so I think my yeast is not good anymore, also I think I should have just let it ferment in room temperature, but I am a bit paranoid because currently here in Paris its very hot (can go up to 25 C). I think Ive read somehwere CF should be done only if its for 24h. On the first pizza you can see that one side is burned, that is because we were amazed by the result and we completely forgot to turn the pizza  :-D , it seems that at one point the heating element is to close to the dough. Cooking time was usually arround 60 sec and the stone was arround 400 C , which was way to cold, still learning :)

1. Pizza: San marzano tomatoe sauce, mozzarella di bufalla
2. San marzano tomatoe sauce, mozzarella di bufalla, Salami picante, gorgonzola
3. San marzano tomatoe sauce, mozzarella di bufalla, spinach, prosciutto cotto

« Last Edit: June 05, 2018, 06:18:02 PM by Pete-zza »

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