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Offline holorim

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Re: Spiral hook on a C hook Kitchenaid? Yeah Baby!!!!
« Reply #60 on: August 24, 2011, 11:35:43 AM »
Hi breadman_nz,
The spiral hook shown on the link above is the one which came with my N50. It appears to me that Hobart fairly recently replaced the antique C-hook by the spiral new one.
If we refer to the Hobart denomination : 'E' = C-shaped, and 'ED' = spiral. So, if you bought a 'ED' hook, then your local distributor should have provided the spiral new model, but maybe he preferred to sell an old C-shaped remaining in his stock.

By the way, I already bought another N50 hook from Globe, and they provided me the spiral one, even if the photo on their website is not up to date (the C-shaped is supposed to be discontinued).
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Re: Spiral hook on a C hook Kitchenaid? Yeah Baby!!!!
« Reply #61 on: August 24, 2011, 04:28:16 PM »
Thanks - I've sent you a PM about possibly ordering a hook from Globe :)

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Re: Spiral hook on a C hook Kitchenaid? Yeah Baby!!!!
« Reply #62 on: August 24, 2011, 04:52:40 PM »
Hi again,
(sorry but I didn't received any pm yet)

If you want to buy this hook, maybe these references will be helpfull :

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Re: Spiral hook on a C hook Kitchenaid? Yeah Baby!!!!
« Reply #63 on: August 25, 2011, 07:46:36 AM »
That's great info. I'm semi-annoyed that between Globe Equipment's old picture, and my local supplier sending a 'c' hook, that I was unaware for so long of the proper N50 spiral hook being available. Google failed to help - searching for 'N50 spiral dough hook' as I did originally doesn't exactly bring up relevant info.


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Re: Spiral hook on a C hook Kitchenaid? Yeah Baby!!!!
« Reply #64 on: January 31, 2012, 02:42:48 AM »
UPDATE: I've since tried a couple of more hooks on my N50, including the official OEM one pictured above.

1) The KNS25BDH hook - which is for the KA 5Qt 'narrow bowl'. Its sweep was too narrow to effectively get the dough together and mix it. Not enough 'action' on the dough.

2)  The OEM Hobart spiral hook for the N50, part no. "EDDOUGH-ALU005". Interestingly, I have found it's not quite as effective as the KNS256BDH. It has a good action and gets the dough together well enough, however the dough has a slightly higher tendency to ride up the hook and spin around when compared to the KNS256BDH. It's still significantly better than the stock 'c' hook. Anyway, your mileage may vary with an N50, depending on exact tolerances.

In order to get the dough together, I've now taken to using the beater first for about 30 seconds, then use the beater once the dough is together. Much more effective and efficient than watching the hook (any of them) trying to coalesce the flour and water!

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Re: Spiral hook on a C hook Kitchenaid? Yeah Baby!!!!
« Reply #65 on: August 26, 2012, 04:10:00 PM »
I sent a question to someone selling these on ebay to see if I could use it in my KSM150, but they said no :(

Guess I'll just have to keep making dough the way I normally do!
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Re: Spiral hook on a C hook Kitchenaid? Yeah Baby!!!!
« Reply #66 on: January 05, 2016, 06:53:12 AM »
I also have a K5SS....for this, I am look to do a better job at mixing raisins and nuts into bread dough which is a hard uphill slog for my breadmachine...which may otherwise eventually kill it.

I am wondering if you would be so kind as to answer these questions:
  • What is the exact part number for the spiral hook that more or less work on our machine.
  • Have you had any problems with your machine since '07 when you started using the hook?  Did you make any of those mods to make your K5 more robust?
  • There seems to be considerations as to the too little/toosmall recipe size in order for the mixer to work well.  My recipe calls for just under a pint of liquid and 15 oz of flour, thus slightly under 2 pounds (with 1.25 cups of raisins and nuts).  My bowls (you talk about narrow bowls) are 8" diameter, 7" tall. Does this sound like a quantity weight that would mix well?

Thanks in advance for your help!  Great topic, well covered, found it and the forum through Google.



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Re: Spiral hook on a C hook Kitchenaid? Yeah Baby!!!!
« Reply #67 on: January 05, 2016, 08:49:41 AM »
just beware that you will kill your KA mixer much quicker using the spiral dough hook.  I did a lot of researching several years ago, and many had told me, don't do it.  The extra
stress on the motor shaft area just kills the mixer in no time.  The action that dough hook does supposedly puts a lot of different stress on the shaft, and the machines that come
with the spiral hooks are made differently inside the casting to adapt to more pressure from the spiral hook.

I didn't want to kill my older machine that came with the old dough hook ( not a spriral ) and finally bit the bullet and bought a new KA mixer. 

Just something to think about when you start playing with the new hook.

P.S. - wouldn't it be great for somebody to open one of the KA machines and actually see if indeed the motor shaft area is really reinforced so that it can use a spriral hook.
hmm.....

I couldn't chance a $300 machine, and that's why I bought a new KA model, but if you able to do it, and you find many others doing it, then there is bad info going around. 

good luck !
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Re: Spiral hook on a C hook Kitchenaid? Yeah Baby!!!!
« Reply #68 on: January 05, 2016, 08:52:52 AM »
P.S. - wouldn't it be great for somebody to open one of the KA machines and actually see if indeed the motor shaft area is really reinforced so that it can use a spriral hook.
hmm.....

There is a post here someplace that shows the design differences. If I remember correctly, the OP actually modified his mixer to handle the different stress of the spiral, but it was not a simple undertaking.
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Re: Spiral hook on a C hook Kitchenaid? Yeah Baby!!!!
« Reply #69 on: January 05, 2016, 09:03:46 AM »
ohh good to know TXCraig, I didn't see that.

I hope I did give correct info.  I don't post much but when I saw that post I thought I should give the info I remembered.  I wouldn't want see somebody
destroying their machine.  I believe at first you would never know about that extra stress,  you would be super happy the maching is working what seems well with
the new dough hook ( sprial ) and then suddenly the machine breaks down.  Not a fun thing to happen :-(

thanks for that extra info.
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Re: Spiral hook on a C hook Kitchenaid? Yeah Baby!!!!
« Reply #70 on: January 05, 2016, 09:13:02 AM »
It was a long time ago, I hope I remember it correctly.  :-D
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