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Offline iLLEb

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Re: Pizza party gas ovens price increase
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2019, 03:30:34 PM »
If any one wants to buy my adore with saputo floor PM me. i have way too many ovens.

Hello Thezaman, how much arre you selling your Ardore?

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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2019, 03:31:23 PM »
.........i have way too many ovens.

 :-D :-D

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Re: Pizza party gas ovens price increase
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2019, 09:52:45 PM »
I don't mind a normal price increase  but 50% is not reasonable

So if you were a vendor and your total acquisition cost  jumped 50%, you'd only raise your price 10-15% (or whatever percentage you define as "normal") from your earlier price, out of the goodness of your heart, and eat the difference? Sorry, I'm calling horse <bleep>.

Unless you're privy to financial data showing Pizza Party's total cost of acquisition (wholesale cost, change in the exchange rate, shipping, tariffs, taxes, overhead, etc) both pre- and post-increase,  you have no way of judging whether or not the 50% increase is "reasonable."

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Re: Pizza party gas ovens price increase
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2019, 01:21:52 AM »
Thats true

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Re: Pizza party gas ovens price increase
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2019, 09:35:46 AM »
Look, as consumers, we each have the right to react however we choose to price increases or decreases. No need to get overly defensive of PP, or be critical of fellow forum members expressing their opinions.

I understand Simone is a friend of this forum, and that's great, however, I also was on the verge of pulling the trigger on an Ardore. Including shipping, it was already over my upper price limit, but I was willing to stretch because from everything I've read here, and elsewhere, it's a great product.

Once the price went up (yes, I knew the discount was for a limited time only), though, this oven was WELL out of my budget. I don't recall if there was a "Limited Time Only Until xx/yy/zzzz" statement on the Pizza Party website, or if it only said "Limited Time Only".

Doesn't mean I'm upset or angry with them. I fully understand that pricing is complex, and costs of components, etc., change. I'm also sure PP understood they'd lose some sales due to this increase.
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Re: Pizza party gas ovens price increase
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2019, 11:58:52 AM »
Well said, Bill. Fwiw, Iím beholden to a big pharma company (Celgene) for the rest of my life.

No you're not, see now you're BMS! LOL

Anyway I'm glad I got my Ardore when I did, it's a nice oven but not worth the price charged today. Many great options at lower prices. Roccbox comes to mind and Ooni to a lesser extent. There will be others I'm sure. PP priced itself out of the market on the Ardore. I hear the official word about the burner, but it's hard to imagine such a huge price increase from a supplier. This is a business killing event.

I don't mind a normal price increase but 50% is not reasonable

It's actually 100% on the Ardore...

Also I don't think Simone is the main guy at PP. His father is I believe. Simone is younger and deals with the social media aspect more.
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Re: Pizza party gas ovens price increase
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2019, 03:35:27 PM »
PP priced itself out of the market on the Ardore. I hear the official word about the burner, but it's hard to imagine such a huge price increase from a supplier.

Not hard to imagine at all. It's called the Law of Supply and Demand. If your product uses a part that's only available from a single mfg and the product becomes popular and others start copying it, all of a sudden, instead of two or three companies buying the part, you've got 20 bidding for the same, limited, supply. Guess what: your price for the part just jumped. Significantly. Add in import duties, exchange rate fluctuations, tariffs, increased shipping costs, and the like, and the increase could easily be astronomical.

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Re: Pizza party gas ovens price increase
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2019, 03:56:51 PM »
No you're not, see now you're BMS! LOL
Sorry, I donít know what this means.
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Re: Pizza party gas ovens price increase
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2019, 04:06:43 PM »
Not hard to imagine at all. It's called the Law of Supply and Demand. If your product uses a part that's only available from a single mfg and the product becomes popular and others start copying it, all of a sudden, instead of two or three companies buying the part, you've got 20 bidding for the same, limited, supply. Guess what: your price for the part just jumped. Significantly. Add in import duties, exchange rate fluctuations, tariffs, increased shipping costs, and the like, and the increase could easily be astronomical.
For a custom made gas burner? There must be 20 and likely a lot more people in China that could make a simple gas burner. It's a generic valve with I assume a sparker,  loss of flame shutoff and a couple of stainless tubes with holes drilled in them.  OONI sells theirs for $100 and they seem to very high markups.


I've no idea what really happened, but if the price went up $400 because the price of the gas burner went up $200, they need a new purchasing agent.


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Re: Pizza party gas ovens price increase
« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2019, 04:45:50 PM »
For a custom made gas burner? There must be 20 and likely a lot more people in China that could make a simple gas burner. It's a generic valve with I assume a sparker,  loss of flame shutoff and a couple of stainless tubes with holes drilled in them.  OONI sells theirs for $100 and they seem to very high markups.


I've no idea what really happened, but if the price went up $400 because the price of the gas burner went up $200, they need a new purchasing agent.


Ira

No sparker and it has lots of small slots instead of drilled holes (at least with the natural gas Passione burner) as well as a pressure regulator. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your comment, just  a bit of correction from someone who bought just in time before the price increase.

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Re: Pizza party gas ovens price increase
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2019, 05:29:25 PM »
Here is a link to the company I'm pretty sure supplies the burner/valve assemblies to PP.  I posted this link a few years ago.  I didn't pay lot of attention to the prices at the time but I don't think they have gone up appreciably.

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=it&sp=nmt4&u=http://shop.ricambirepetti.com/it/28-bruciatori-a-tubo&xid=17259,15700023,15700186,15700190,15700256,15700259,15700262,15700265&usg=ALkJrhi23CDfkPTNjzqEguX1MvXDVBjYLQ

PP would not sell me a burner/valve assembly to modify my wood burning PP so I tried to contact Repetti directly.  They never responded.

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Re: Pizza party gas ovens price increase
« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2019, 07:50:26 PM »
i desire ask a pleasure, if some people desire continue the discussion on the new price list used this discussion and if possible change the name of this thread in Pizza party GAS ovens price increase, because not all products are increase the prices.

as written in the Ardore oven discussion, I would like to make some clarifications:

1-ok the discontent for the new prices list of gas models, I wanted to remember that the members of the forum have always received the best discounts on all models, and have always been the first to be informed of the news. However, there are still great offers on wood models, and the forum users have possibility to require the best discount codes.

2-the gas ovens and other products they had they had written: special offer good while supplies last, as someone said, those who asked had hinted that there would be increases in September, this resulted in a large number of orders in July (more orders in July that in May and June added) which ended the stock on offer earlier. Those who decided to order immediately managed to take advantage of the advantageous offer, those who waited, unfortunately they found the new price list.

I reported your disappointment on the new prices, we'll see what we can do in the coming months

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Re: Pizza party gas ovens price increase
« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2019, 08:04:37 PM »
i desire ask a pleasure, if some people desire continue the discussion on the new price list used this discussion and if possible change the name of this thread in Pizza party GAS ovens price increase, because not all products are increase the prices.
Simone,

I changed the name of the thread to include the word gas.

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Re: Pizza party gas ovens price increase
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2019, 08:28:20 PM »
In time, if you are anything like me, you will either forget or forgive yourself. :) I have become very good at not looking back where material things are concerned. Itís kept me more sane. Otherwise, some of the opportunities I have missed from investments to automobiles to infrequent wagers could have driven me nuts. Wrt to investments, I learned quite some time ago that I do not need to be the first person in or the last person out to be content and successful enough.


I am sorry you missed the deal though. Glad it was not something more important.

Tony
I agree with you and me being mad at myself was probably an over statement.     Ive wanted the gas oven for a long time.   Just put it off because Im building an outdoor kitchen area, waiting for winter to do it when its not 100*, and didn't want the oven sit and not get used.  Plus Ive done a lot of travelling and helping my daughter who is expecting my first grandchild very soon.   If I bought the oven it wouldn't have been used.

So waiting has cost me.   Hopefully PP has some xmas deals or sales that I can take advantage of.  Time will tell   I still like the oven and Simone.   He has always treated everyone here fairly especially with the discount codes.

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Re: Pizza party gas ovens price increase
« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2019, 11:53:49 AM »
Sorry, I donít know what this means.

I must have misunderstood that you were a Celgene employee (Celgene was acquired this year by another pharma called BMS). Hence my comment that you are now beholden to BMS. But maybe you meant that you were cured by a Celgene product?

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« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2019, 12:27:53 PM »
I must have misunderstood that you were a Celgene employee (Celgene was acquired this year by another pharma called BMS). Hence my comment that you are now beholden to BMS. But maybe you meant that you were cured by a Celgene product?
Even better: there is no cure but I may be fine if I keep taking it forever. That merger value is something else! $85 bil, I believe. I was on another of their products (Revlimed) for 7 months then switched to Pomalyst, which is similar. Both are cash cows they are damn lucky to have found another use for given the disaster it wrought in the late 60ís and early 70ís  Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Pizza party gas ovens price increase
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2019, 12:11:45 AM »
Saputo floor went up too and that has nothing to do with the burner

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Re: Pizza party gas ovens price increase
« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2019, 06:02:33 PM »
Disappointed also. Was going for the passione myself.  Larger cooking floor, saputo stone, ease of use were my main drivers. However, hard for me to justify now.  This is from a $300 Koda. Donít believe I can  justify $3000 for similar results  :(  I was pushing it at $2000.

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« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2019, 06:21:55 PM »
 Really annoyed myself that I procrastinated all through July only for the prices to shoot up. Serves me right for holding off on what seemed like a good deal but we had some financial uncertainty. I canít imagine they sell many Ardores at Ä900 and really donít want to have to buy an alternative. Guess weíll see in September what the long term pricing looks like!

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Re: Pizza party gas ovens price increase
« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2019, 10:08:56 PM »
Seriously love the oven. Glad i bought when i did, it has been a ton of fun and is a huge addition to my backyard. Probably wouldnt have bought it at the increased price
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