Impact of Fermentation Time on Dough Appearance: Young vs. Old

Started by londonbeetle, July 20, 2024, 09:11:00 PM

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londonbeetle

Does final baked product appear visually older and more mature with increased fermentation time, and younger with less fermentation time? For example, a 10-hour dough that has reached optimum fermentation, whether at 10°C or 5°C, looks much younger and fresher when baked than a dough that has undergone 40 hours of optimum fermentation.


I meant final baked product. Not the actual dough
What i mean by optimum fermentation is a good balance between byproducts of fermentation and temperature

TXCraig1

How do we know what old dough looks like? Because we see what it looks likes as it gets older. Someone with no experience might see a dough straight out of a mixer and think it's older than a dough that's rested overnight. 

Also, I don't think "optimum fermentation" is a thing. Fermentation is a biochemical process, not a state of development. I think there can be evaluation of dough based on rise and maturity, but I don't think saying "optimum fermentation" makes sense. We're all guilty of this. I know I've written things like "fully fermented" when, in reality, a fully fermented dough would be a blob of slop.
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londonbeetle

Quote from: TXCraig1 on July 21, 2024, 08:32:17 AMHow do we know what old dough looks like? Because we see what it looks likes as it gets older. Someone with no experience might see a dough straight out of a mixer and think it's older than a dough that's rested overnight.

Also, I don't think "optimum fermentation" is a thing. Fermentation is a biochemical process, not a state of development. I think there can be evaluation of dough based on rise and maturity, but I don't think saying "optimum fermentation" makes sense. We're all guilty of this. I know I've written things like "fully fermented" when, in reality, a fully fermented dough would be a blob of slop.

Appologies,
Craig i meant final baked product 

londonbeetle

Quote from: londonbeetle on July 21, 2024, 09:35:53 AMAppologies,
Craig i meant final baked product
meant final baked product. Not the actual dough 
What i mean by optimum fermentation is a good balance between byproducts of fermentation and temperature

TXCraig1

Quote from: londonbeetle on July 21, 2024, 09:35:53 AMAppologies,
Craig i meant final baked product

I don't think I agree with the original statement then. Lots of other factors make pizza look old and tired. Fermentation time may be one of them at the extreme, but I don't think it's the most relevant in most cases.
"We make great pizza, with sourdough when we can, baker's yeast when we must, but always great pizza."  
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londonbeetle

Quote from: TXCraig1 on July 21, 2024, 06:57:09 PMI don't think I agree with the original statement then. Lots of other factors make pizza look old and tired. Fermentation time may be one of them at the extreme, but I don't think it's the most relevant in most cases.
What other factors exist?
Just a few examples

TXCraig1

Quote from: londonbeetle on July 21, 2024, 09:50:18 PMWhat other factors exist?
Just a few examples
Pretty much everything. Dough formula, workflow, bake time, bake temp.
"We make great pizza, with sourdough when we can, baker's yeast when we must, but always great pizza."  
Craig's Neapolitan Garage

scott r

Ill add mixing technique, balling technique, and flour batch to that list

(just realized some of that is workflow too)

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